Negative Mass exists, Newton's Laws opposite

[Fest3er]

Not if the black hole itself is made up of negative mass, as Tarlé and colleagues from five institutions are strengthening the case for this scenario with recent data from the Dark Energy Spectroscopic Instrument. With negative mass gravity is opposite, meaning instead of gravity holding matter together, anti-matter tears it apart. Is that not what a black hole does as you know it?

"If black holes contain dark energy, they can couple to and grow with the expanding universe, causing its growth to accelerate" said Kevin Croker, lead author of the team's new study and an assistant research scientist at Arizona State University. "We can't get the details of how this is happening, but we can see evidence that it is happening."

Evidence from five institutions....
"The two phenomena were consistent with each other—as new black holes were made in the deaths of massive stars, the amount of dark energy in the universe increased in the right way," said Duncan Farrah, associate professor of physics at the University of Hawai'i and co-author of the study. "This makes it more plausible that black holes are the source of dark energy."

The only energy to have opposite affects from "Normal" gravity comes from negative mass (which has been proven 3 separate times, twice in super cold fluid and once with sound waves that instead of having a downward trajectory as gravity requires, it has an upward trajectory).

So negative mass exists in our natural universe in sound waves everywhere, and has the opposite effects than "normal" gravity. I wouldn't be surprised to find that microwaves and gamma rays are also having negative mass, as this is what happens when stars collapse and become neutron stars.

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A hole made of negative mass would be a white hole, reflecting all light. Presumably only anti-matter would have negative mass. There probably isn’t enough anti-matter in the universe to make a white hole.

 

[Classical Motion]

Newton’s gravity only applies to neutral matter. A net E or net M can easily over ride gravity. And light into a gas can easily disturb gravity upon the mass. And disturb the EM of the gas.

And on an atomic scale, even though the fields are considered neutral, there is still EM field interaction between atoms, and still net charge regions of the atom. Neutral particle interaction is still EM interaction. The fields are still there. And superposition. Angular superposition. Much, much stronger than gravity.

The quantum attractive force(charge force) is limited, has range and does not attract until contact. The charge E bond is an equalization of field density. The electron and the proton attract until a certain distance, a field equalization barrier, and if the charges get closer than that, the charges repel.

This is not a new idea, it’s an old idea and not taught today.

This close repelling force is what’s needed to over come the making of a neutron. If you take a H1 atom, a dipole, and smash it flat, The proton will be in the center of the electron. It’s a dipole that can not vibrate, it just wobbles. A locked dipole. Only a star can make neutrons. And only an atom with 3 or more protons is possible with neutrons. Dead dipoles.

 

[Fest3er]

Newton’s gravity only applies to neutral matter. A net E or net M can easily over ride gravity. And light into a gas can easily disturb gravity upon the mass. And disturb the EM of the gas.

And on an atomic scale, even though the fields are considered neutral, there is still EM field interaction between atoms, and still net charge regions of the atom. Neutral particle interaction is still EM interaction. The fields are still there. And superposition. Angular superposition. Much, much stronger than gravity.

The quantum attractive force(charge force) is limited, has range and does not attract until contact. The charge E bond is an equalization of field density. The electron and the proton attract until a certain distance, a field equalization barrier, and if the charges get closer than that, the charges repel.

This is not a new idea, it’s an old idea and not taught today.

This close repelling force is what’s needed to over come the making of a neutron. If you take a H1 atom, a dipole, and smash it flat, The proton will be in the center of the electron. It’s a dipole that can not vibrate, it just wobbles. A locked dipole. Only a star can make neutrons. And only an atom with 3 or more protons is possible with neutrons. Dead dipoles.

Gravity still acts on the body. That other forces overwhelm gravity doesn’t negate it.

 

[billslugg]

Gravity does not act on bodies. Gravity warps space, everything, massive or not, simply follows the space lines, which to everyone at any location appear perfectly straight locally. If an item with no mass tried to evade gravity, it would not know in which direction to go. Sorry if this is confusing, but I don't make the rules, this is simply my interpretation.

 

[Fest3er]

Gravity does not act on bodies. Gravity warps space, everything, massive or not, simply follows the space lines, which to everyone at any location appear perfectly straight locally. If an item with no mass tried to evade gravity, it would not know in which direction to go. Sorry if this is confusing, but I don't make the rules, this is simply my interpretation.

Mass warps space. Gravity is a property of mass. Wouldn’t negative mass also warp space, but in the opposite direction. But what direction would that be?

 

[jhixon]

Newton’s gravity only applies to neutral matter. A net E or net M can easily over ride gravity. And light into a gas can easily disturb gravity upon the mass. And disturb the EM of the gas.

And on an atomic scale, even though the fields are considered neutral, there is still EM field interaction between atoms, and still net charge regions of the atom. Neutral particle interaction is still EM interaction. The fields are still there. And superposition. Angular superposition. Much, much stronger than gravity.

The quantum attractive force(charge force) is limited, has range and does not attract until contact. The charge E bond is an equalization of field density. The electron and the proton attract until a certain distance, a field equalization barrier, and if the charges get closer than that, the charges repel.

This is not a new idea, it’s an old idea and not taught today.

This close repelling force is what’s needed to over come the making of a neutron. If you take a H1 atom, a dipole, and smash it flat, The proton will be in the center of the electron. It’s a dipole that can not vibrate, it just wobbles. A locked dipole. Only a star can make neutrons. And only an atom with 3 or more protons is possible with neutrons. Dead dipoles.

Considering these are discoveries that happen in the last three months, you are just saying that you are not open to things you don't understand. Clearly after 3 examples of gravity working opposite, one would think that this is worth exploring instead of discounting what we see, and what we measure. This is exactly why we haven't made progress in 100 years. What other mechanism would push on matter and it be pulled towards the force as in the case of black holes?
Also, if this weren't possible in our universe, then it wouldn't be real and measured, and we wouldn't see gravity work opposite and we do.....

Seeing is believing..........

More evidence of sound waves carrying mass

A trio of researchers at Columbia University has found more evidence showing that sound waves carry mass. In their paper published in the journal Physical Review Letters, Angelo Esposito, Rafael Krichevsky and Alberto Nicolis describe using effective field theory techniques to confirm the...

phys.org

 

[jhixon]

Mass warps space. Gravity is a property of mass. Wouldn’t negative mass also warp space, but in the opposite direction. But what direction would that be?

That's what all of the articles elude to, opposite direction of gravity.

 

[Fest3er]

That's what all of the articles elude to, opposite direction of gravity.

Space warps toward the center of positive mass. Negative mass would cause space to warp away from its center. Two positive, or two negative masses, would warp space into each other (or attract). A positive and a negative mass would cause space to warp away from each other (or repel). Perhaps the accelerating expansion of the universe could be explained by our universe being a bubble of negative mass, surrounded by positive mass (a sphere within a much larger sphere).

 

[jhixon]

Space warps toward the center of positive mass. Negative mass would cause space to warp away from its center. Two positive, or two negative masses, would warp space into each other (or attract). A positive and a negative mass would cause space to warp away from each other (or repel). Perhaps the accelerating expansion of the universe could be explained by our universe being a bubble of negative mass, surrounded by positive mass (a sphere within a much larger sphere).

Negative mass would cause space to warp away from its center, which looking at a black hole the center is black and not filled with stuff. The liquid plasma is probably the barrier between the negative mass and the effects of opposite gravity pushing, which causes it to pull towards the black hole, which is what we see when we observe the action of a black hole pulling matter into it. If this was "normal" gravity, it would push it away and that's not what we see. While everyone wants to say that this is "dark energy", it shows that this works opposite than normal gravity, in which we have multiple examples of seeing this "opposite gravity" both in the quantum world and in sound waves having negative mass. It makes me wonder if microwaves and gamma rays which are even smaller, contain negative mass. This would perhaps prove E=E as the balance between all matter and energy works both ways. Now we just need to see time move opposite.

 

[jhixon]

Except sound is not a "thing". A phonon is not a particle. If it was, we could buy them at the curb store to carry our books for us. But we can't.

I don't do "links". Explain it here in your own words so I can understand it.

A type of quasiparticle in physics, a phonon is an excited state in the quantum mechanical quantization of the modes of vibrations for elastic structures of interacting particles. Phonons can be thought of as quantized sound waves, similar to photons as quantized light waves. However they are spoken of as particles because mass is being assigned or designated, when any mass is assigned to something it is considered a particle based on the definition regardless if it's a wave of energy. In a sense, then, “phonon” is just a fancy word for a particle of heat.

 

[billslugg]

I can understand that any packet of energy has mass. I cannot understand how it can have negative mass. Negative energy perhaps? I can't understand how its rising in a solid proves it has negative mass. It is a phonon rising in a sea of massive particles. No different than a helium balloon rising in a sea of massive air particles.

 

[jhixon]

I can understand that any packet of energy has mass. I cannot understand how it can have negative mass. Negative energy perhaps? I can't understand how its rising in a solid proves it has negative mass. It is a phonon rising in a sea of massive particles. No different than a helium balloon rising in a sea of massive air particles.

Sound waves have an upward trajectory which is opposite from "normal" gravity. Normal gravity pulls everything down towards Earth, so one would expect sound waves to have a downward trajectory as all other things measure downward. Also they measured particles with a negative mass separate from sound waves, that when pushed it went opposite to gravity. This has been measured three different times with not only sound, but using other particles. My only question is could this be the missing piece to combine classical with quantum? Can negative mass be in two places at the same time? Is this missing piece to quantum and classical theories?

 

[Classical Motion]

Sound is the physical disturbance, the physical displacement of a background molecular buzz. A pressure buzz. We can only hear the difference in the buzz, not the buzz itself. And even that is limited to certain rates. Gravity only sets the foundation density gradient, temperature and pressure lanes have much more velocity effect then gravity. On sound. Just an opinion.

The only reason we can link gravity to all of our concepts is because we don’t know what it is.

 

[jhixon]

Sound is the physical disturbance, the physical displacement of a background molecular buzz. A pressure buzz. We can only hear the difference in the buzz, not the buzz itself. And even that is limited to certain rates. Gravity only sets the foundation density gradient, temperature and pressure lanes have much more velocity effect then gravity. On sound. Just an opinion.

The only reason we can link gravity to all of our concepts is because we don’t know what it is.

I agree with you on sound. Yes, we don't know the true nature of gravity, but seeing gravity work opposite than Earth is extremely interesting and perhaps will expand our knowledge of it's true nature and how our universe works. Since everything in our universe is energy, matter is energy, light is energy, sound is energy, heat is energy and the discovery of negative mass having opposite effects on gravity should propel us forward.

 

[Classical Motion]

The modern concept is to prop up the concept of energy into an entity. A mysterious entity and the cause of everything. This is of course garbage. Energy is a property, not an entity. Energy is simply motion. Different types of motion are different types of energy.

The term energy can apply and define any and all motion. Mass is a motion property too. Mass is the motion of matter. A special motion. Mass motion has opposition to external or foreign motion. Mass motion is angular and has another property called inertia. Mass motion is constantly accelerated motion. Inertia. Mass has acceleration, light has only velocity.

Mass is not needed for momentum. A photon has no mass, because it has no angular momentum, or inertia. Inertia is not needed for momentum. Only density is needed, not mass.

The only entity is e. And the fields around it, and the fields emitted from it. That’s all there is.

The quantum quality of e, comes from it’s structure. The motion of this structure births(manufactures) and ratios all physical properties. Including TIME.

Energy -any and all motion. Mass -special constant accelerated motion. These motions are exchanged. e converts linear to angular and vise versa. Mass is not matter. e is matter. It has steps of motion.

Both energy and mass are just motion properties. They DO NOT add up to zero. They are the same basic thing.

But only I believe this. With no references.

 

[jhixon]

You say motion properties, I like to think of it as energy, frequency and vibration.

Their study consisted mainly of plugging values into Einstein’s relativity equations — there were no attempts to experimentally produce or observe negative mass particles — but math can be a very powerful indicator of what’s possible in the universe (SN: 7/28/12, p. 28). Paranjape and Mbarek found that on a sheet of spacetime with an exponentially increasing expansion rate, general relativity allows for the existence of negative mass.

Negative mass might not defy Einstein

Repulsive matter could have played a role in the early universe, a computational study finds.

www.sciencenews.org

 

[Classical Motion]

There are millions of possibilities, but only one solution. If you don't filter those possibilities you will never find the solution. We have spent one hundred years on the possibilities. And ONLY increased the possibles, we did not narrow them. That is a DECREASE in knowledge and a waist of time and resources.