Phoenix surface mission

[3488]

<p><strong><font size="2">Hi Ron,</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Yes I had heard that before, that microbes could act a 'seeding agents' for raindrops as airbourne dust & salt. Then that will have knock on effects regarding cloud development, etc, etc.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Regarding microbes in the ice on Mars under the top layer of regolith, I'm very doubtful. Any Martian critters IMO would be very deep beneath the surface, something that can tunnel deep&nbsp;in a future mission may reach them if they exist. Phoenix may find evidence of extinct life, that was living when Mars was more condusive, before the magnetosphere collapsed, the atmosphere largely bled away & volcanic activity waned to the point that the atmosphere was no longer maintained & was being eroded by the solar wind (which is still happening & will get worse over geological time as the Sun becomes more powerful, potentially leaving Mars like our Moon or Mercury).<br /></font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.<br /></font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[centsworth_II]

<p><font color="#000080"><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I wrote in my notes that he said "Some microbes use perchlorate as an energy source, others merely co-exist." <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></font><br /><font size="2">The problem is this quote from the CNN article.&nbsp; I don't know if it came from the teleconference. </font></p><p><font color="#000080"> "This desert is a hyper-arid environment that rarely sees rain, and has no vascular plants, and is often used by scientists as a matter of fact as a Martian 'analog' site," Smith said Tuesday.</font></p><p><font color="#000080"> "These compounds are quite stable in soil and water and do not destroy organic materials under normal circumstances. In fact there are species of perchlorate-producing microbes that live on the energy provided by this oxidant." <u>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/08/05/mars.soil/index.html</u><br /></font></p><p><font size="2">I think "perchlorat-producing" should be "percholrate-reducing", or perhaps "perchlorate-using".</font> </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[rlb2]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#993300">Smith said Tuesday. "These compounds are quite stable in soil and water and do not destroy organic materials under normal circumstances. In fact there are species of perchlorate-producing microbes that live on the energy provided by this oxidant." http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/08/05/mars.soil/index.htmlI think "perchlorat-producing" should be "percholrate-reducing", or perhaps "perchlorate-using". <br />Posted by centsworth_II</font></DIV></p><p><font color="#000080"><font color="#000000">This was what was reported from JPL.</font>&nbsp;</font></p><p><font color="#000080">Some microorganisms on Earth are fueled by processes that involve perchlorates, and some plants concentrate the substance. Perchlorates are also used in rocket fuel and fireworks.</font></p><p><font color="#003366">http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-155</font><br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Ron Bennett </div>

 

[rlb2]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#993300"><strong>Regarding microbes in the ice on Mars under the top layer of regolith, I'm very doubtful. Any Martian critters IMO would be very deep beneath the surface, something that can tunnel deep&nbsp;in a future mission may reach them if they exist. </strong>.Andrew Brown. <br />Posted by 3488</font></DIV></p><p>Hi Andrew</p><p>I don't know, some are extremely adaptable. I do&nbsp;think we should look further down into the soil&nbsp;in the next mission or we will end up with the same kind of results..</p><p>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p><span style="font-family:Verdana"><font color="#ff6600">Recent studies have demonstrated that specialized microorganisms have evolved that can couple growth to the anaerobic reduction of perchlorate and </font><font color="#0000ff">completely reduce it to chloride</font><font color="#ff6600">. Phenotypic characterization studies have demonstrated that the known perchlorate-reducing bacteria exhibit a broad range of metabolic capabilities and can thrive in adverse environments</font></span><span style="font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-family:Verdana"><font color="#800080">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=169092</font></span> </p><p><font color="#000000">Note "completely reduce it to chloride," is there an abundance of chloride in the MECA TGA results and how about Spirit and Opportunity from the salts found there??? If they did find an abundance of Chlorides in the MECA TGA results were&nbsp;the Chlorides&nbsp;the same type that can be traceable to the anaerobic reduction of perchlorates on earth&nbsp;such as in the&nbsp;Atacama Desert???</font></p><span><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">The word <strong>chloride</strong> can also refer to a </font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">chemical compound</font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300"> in which one or more chlorine </font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">atoms</font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300"> are </font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">covalently bonded</font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300"> in the </font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">molecule</font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">. This means that chlorides can be either </font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">inorganic</font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300"> or </font><font face="Times New Roman" color="#993300">organic compounds</font><font face="Times New Roman"><font color="#993300">.</font></font></span><span><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></span> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" color="#800080">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloride</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Ron Bennett </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi AndrewI don't know, some are extremely adaptable. I do&nbsp;think we should look further down into the soil&nbsp;in the next mission or we will end up with the same kind of results..------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Recent studies have demonstrated that specialized microorganisms have evolved that can couple growth to the anaerobic reduction of perchlorate and completely reduce it to chloride. Phenotypic characterization studies have demonstrated that the known perchlorate-reducing bacteria exhibit a broad range of metabolic capabilities and can thrive in adverse environments&nbsp;http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=169092 Note "completely reduce it to chloride," is there an abundance of chloride in the MECA TGA results and how about Spirit and Opportunity from the salts found there??? If they did find an abundance of Chlorides in the MECA TGA results were&nbsp;the Chlorides&nbsp;the same type that can be traceable to the anaerobic reduction of perchlorates on earth&nbsp;such as in the&nbsp;Atacama Desert???The word chloride can also refer to a chemical compound in which one or more chlorine atoms are covalently bonded in the molecule. This means that chlorides can be either inorganic or organic compounds.&nbsp; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloride <br />Posted by rlb2</DIV><br /><br />As far as I've heard, the TEGA results have been negative for these compunds. The specifically mentioned that the last TEGA sample showerd no perchlorates.</p><p>The intention is to get another sample very close to where the MECA sample was taken, and deliver it to TEGA.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[killium]

<p>Is there a chemist in the room ? Please, find the&nbsp;X in :</p><p>&nbsp;(unburned or unreacted) Hydrazine +&nbsp;X = perchlorate</p><p>&nbsp;if there is a solution for X, maybe&nbsp;X was in the ground in first place....</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[exoscientist]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>As far as I've heard, the TEGA results have been negative for these compunds. The specifically mentioned that the last TEGA sample showerd no perchlorates.The intention is to get another sample very close to where the MECA sample was taken, and deliver it to TEGA. <br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp;Actually, the TEGA results were inconclusive. One sample showed results consistent, but not conclusive, for perchlorates and another did not show evidence for perchlorates.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;&nbsp; Bob Clark<br />&nbsp; </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[exoscientist]

<font size="2">Scientists: Martian soil similar to Chile&rsquo;s desert. <br /> Perchlorate find still needs confirmation; it wouldn&rsquo;t rule out <br /> habitability. <br /> By Alan Boyle <br /> Science editor <br /> MSNBC <br /> updated 8:11 p.m. ET, Tues., Aug. 5, 2008 <br /> "However, some organisms actually thrive on perchlorates and have been <br /> enlisted for cleaning up chemical spills. Perchlorate-loving microbes <br /> have been found in Chile's Atacama Desert and Antarctica &mdash; two of the <br /> places that have been compared to the Red Planet's cold, dry <br /> environment." <br />http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26043028/ <br /></font> <p><font size="2">&nbsp;I had written a post to the space forum Bautforum.com &nbsp;arguing that <br /> perchlorate-metabolizing organisms might provide a "life" explanation <br /> of the Viking Gas Exchange Experiment: <br /></font> </p><p><font size="2">Possibilities for life on Mars - a surprising new microbe. <br /> 22-January-2005, 05:40 PM <br /> RGClark <br />http://www.bautforum.com/life-space/15752-possibilities-life-mars-surprising-new-microbe.html<br /></font> </p><p><font size="2">&nbsp;The three biology experiments on Viking were the Labeled Release <br /> Experiment, the Pyrolytic Release Experiment, and the Gas Exchange <br /> Experiment. Oxygen evolution was detected by the Gas Exchange <br /> Experiment, which the &nbsp;perchlorate-metabolizing microbes are able to <br /> do. The Labeled Release Experiment detected CO2 being evolved. Some <br /> strains of the microbe do evolve CO2 instead of oxygen. The third <br /> experiment the Pyrolytic Release Experiment detects production of <br /> organic molecules by incorporation of atmospheric gases. Some strains <br /> of the microbe are able to survive with just CO2 as their sole carbon <br /> source, so would incorporate atmospheric CO2 into their organic <br /> makeup. Then the perchlorate-metabolizers could be responsible for the <br /> positive life signs seen in all three Viking life experiments. <br /> According to the MSNBC article the perchlorate-metabolizers have been <br /> seen in both the Atacama desert and in Antarctica. <br /> &nbsp;Then tests of the soils from these sites containing the perchlorate- <br /> metabolizers using analog instruments of the three Viking life <br /> experiments may show that life is indeed possible as an explanation of <br /> the Viking Mars-life experimental results. <br /></font> </p><font size="2">&nbsp; &nbsp;Bob Clark</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[rlb2]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;&nbsp;<font color="#993300">Actually, the TEGA results were inconclusive. One sample showed results consistent, but not conclusive, for perchlorates and another did not show evidence for perchlorates.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bob Clark&nbsp; <br />Posted by exoscientist</font></DIV></p><p>As far as I know I think MeteorWayne was responding to this statement below that I made about chlorides. I was implying that some chlorides may be a byproduct from anaerobic (absents of air)&nbsp;reduction of perchlorates such is found in some microorganisms on earth. See copied posted info below.</p><p><span style="font-family:Verdana"><font color="#ff6600">Recent studies have demonstrated that specialized microorganisms have evolved that can couple growth to the anaerobic reduction of perchlorate and </font><font color="#0000ff">completely reduce it to chloride</font><font color="#ff6600">. Phenotypic characterization studies have demonstrated that the known perchlorate-reducing bacteria exhibit a broad range of metabolic capabilities and can thrive in adverse environments</font></span><span style="font-family:Verdana">&nbsp;</span></p><p><span style="font-family:Verdana"><font color="#800080">http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=169092</font></span> </p><p><font color="#000000">Note "completely reduce it to chloride," is there an abundance of chloride in the MECA TGA results and how about Spirit and Opportunity from the salts found there??? If they did find an abundance of Chlorides in the MECA TGA results were&nbsp;the Chlorides&nbsp;the same type that can be traceable to the anaerobic reduction of perchlorates on earth&nbsp;such as in the&nbsp;Atacama Desert???</font></p><p>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p><p>On another note maybe the Phoenix sticky soil stuff is hidden in this terminology?</p><p><font color="#993300">[<strong>Anaerobic</strong> is a technical word which literally means <em>without air</em> (where "air" is generally used to mean </font><font color="#993300">oxygen</font><font color="#993300">), as opposed to </font><font color="#993300">aerobic</font><font color="#993300">.</font></p><p><font color="#993300">In wastewater treatment the absence of oxygen is indicated as <em>anoxic</em>; and <em>anaerobic</em> is used to indicate the absence of a common electron acceptor such as nitrate, sulfate or oxygen. An </font><font color="#000080"><strong>anaerobic</strong> </font><font color="#000080">adhesive</font><font color="#993300"> is a bonding agent that does not cure in the presence of air.]</font></p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic</p><p><font color="#000000">Was there a mention of a <strong>anaerobic</strong> </font><font color="#000000">adhesive</font><font color="#000000"> that may be responsible for the Phoenix sticky soil besides Magnesium P<font color="#ff6600"><font color="#000000">erchlorate</font> </font>in the briefing?</font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Ron Bennett </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>&nbsp;&nbsp;Actually, the TEGA results were inconclusive. One sample showed results consistent, but not conclusive, for perchlorates and another did not show evidence for perchlorates.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bob Clark&nbsp; <br />Posted by exoscientist</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>the shallower sample showed evidence for perchlorate, the deeper did not.&nbsp; This is what was expected for such atmospheric derived oxidants nd why Phoenix has a back hoe</p><p>Jon<br /></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[3488]

<p><font size="2"><strong>I feel like a right muppet asking for a favour.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Can anyone help me?</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="3">The 61 MB Mission Success Panorama, </font><font size="2">can someone download it, maybe chop it up into maybe six parts of about 10 MB each & either link them from here or e-mail them to me?</font></strong></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I have downloaded just about the 24 MB one, but would like the very large 61 MB one to study & perhaps share features of interest.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I feel embarrassed to ask, but I cannot download it. It crashes my computer.</strong></font></p><p><br /> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/3/8b95478a-84db-4e25-9382-c9ef2b9e7d89.Medium.jpg" alt="" /><br /><br /><font size="2"><strong>Thank You,</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown. </strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[tanstaafl76]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>why Phoenix has a back hoe<br /> Posted by jonclarke</DIV></p><p>Careful jon, Don Imus got in trouble for a statement like that! </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[tanstaafl76]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I feel embarrassed to ask, but I cannot download it. It crashes my computer.</DIV></p><p>Did you try right clicking on it and selecting Save As... and downloading it that way? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><strong> .... why Phoenix has a back hoe<br /></strong>Posted by <strong>jonclarke</strong></DIV></p><p>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Careful jon, Don Imus got in trouble for a statement like that! <br />Posted by <strong>tanstaafl76</strong></DIV><br /></p><p>Now that's funny !</p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I feel like a right muppet asking for a favour.Can anyone help me?The 61 MB Mission Success Panorama, can someone download it, maybe chop it up into maybe six parts of about 10 MB each & either link them from here or e-mail them to me?..Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>I'll get on it.&nbsp; The direct link to the image also displays an error for me.&nbsp; However, it appears as if I can download the image perfectly fine. *Not sure of what the problem is with the display error.&nbsp; Standard jpg format it seems.&nbsp; It's just ginormous.&nbsp; Cool pic though. </p><p>I can download the big image rather quickly but uploading it is going to take awhile.&nbsp; Unless, of course, my connection successfully avoids being throttled by my ISP during the upload. (They LIE constantly about that....IMO) </p><p>* Uploading files.&nbsp; I used the extension .3488 so just download the file and then change the file's extension to ".jpg" without the apostrophes of course.</p><p>*The images (Phoenix-17106-(A-G).3488) are jpegs, each 4440 px (w) x 6250 px (h) with the exception of the last one, G, which is only 2 pixels wide.&nbsp; Just rename the extension to ".jpg"&nbsp; Each image is a panel, starting on the left side of the panorama and proceeding to the right in order of A to G. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><ul><li> Phoenix-17106-A.3488 of size 7.769 MB <br /> http://www.filefactory.com/file/813c62/n/Phoenix-17106-A_3488</li><li> Phoenix-17106-G.3488 of size 40.141 KB <br /> http://www.filefactory.com/file/cdc5df/n/Phoenix-17106-G_3488</li><li> Phoenix-17106-F.3488 of size 11.095 MB <br /> http://www.filefactory.com/file/edf2fa/n/Phoenix-17106-F_3488</li><li> Phoenix-17106-E.3488 of size 12.437 MB <br /> http://www.filefactory.com/file/5c031d/n/Phoenix-17106-E_3488</li><li> Phoenix-17106-D.3488 of size 9.362 MB <br /> http://www.filefactory.com/file/3a2ab2/n/Phoenix-17106-D_3488</li><li> Phoenix-17106-C.3488 of size 9.435 MB <br /> http://www.filefactory.com/file/3fc969/n/Phoenix-17106-C_3488</li><li> Phoenix-17106-B.3488 of size 10.179 MB <br /> http://www.filefactory.com/file/f7a276/n/Phoenix-17106-B_3488</li></ul><p>&nbsp;Let me know if you'd rather them be on a different host or emailed. </p><p>&nbsp;*edit </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[rlb2]

<p>New Mars worm movie I made from Phoenix microscopic imager from images posted for&nbsp;sol 70.</p><p>Ice-worm/nematode/bacterium or none of the above, you decide???</p><p style="margin:0in0in0pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Verdana">Images have different lighting and some apparent sublimation appears to be going on, nerveless I thought I would share it with you...</span></p><p style="margin:0in0in0pt" class="MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><span style="font-family:Verdana">Watch worm like object move in circled area -</span> <p><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/1/4190e3c6-f1d6-451c-b1d6-e3f62871cb62.Medium.jpg" alt="" width="284" height="251" /></p><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrBgoRBRJw</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Ron Bennett </div>

 

[3488]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Posted by a_lost_packet_</font></DIV></p><p><strong><font size="2">Thank you so very much A-L-P.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Works just fine & WOW. it is just like BEING THERE!!!!! </font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">It is this kind if response & consideration&nbsp;that makes the efforts involved,&nbsp;definately worth the campaign to save the mission. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /></font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Great stuff, once again thank you very much. I've had a cursory look (I'm @ work), but already I have noticed some very interesting things (that were not even visible on the large 24 MB one) to say the least. Let's say I will be starting another thread tonight (my time) in SS&A, as this is worthy of it's own thread.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">I owe you big time A-L-P. I really hope thast you did not use too much of your own time on this, but<em>&nbsp;</em><font color="#000000">I am blown away by what you have done for me.</font></font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Also you chopped it in just the right places. No interesting features were inconveniently cut through, the frames are perfectly set.</font></strong></p><p><strong><font size="2">Andrew Brown.</font></strong></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<p><br /><br /><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Careful jon, Don Imus got in trouble for a statement like that! <br />Posted by tanstaafl76</DIV></p><p>What's wrong with a back hoe?</p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/10/6/1a81546d-3363-472b-96f9-ffd2f977feb6.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><p>Who is Dom Imus, and why should I care?</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[bearack]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>What's wrong with a back hoe?Who is Dom Imus, and why should I care?&nbsp; <br />Posted by jonclarke</DIV><br /><br />ROFL, he was making an attempt at a funny.&nbsp; Dom Imus is a radio show DJ that got in trouble for calling the Rutgers volley ball team a bunch of nappy headed black hoes. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>New Mars worm movie I made from Phoenix microscopic imager from images posted for&nbsp;sol 70.Ice-worm/nematode/bacterium or none of the above, you decide???Images have different lighting and some apparent sublimation appears to be going on, nerveless I thought I would share it with you...&nbsp;Watch worm like object move in circled area - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrBgoRBRJw <br />Posted by rlb2</DIV><br /><br />Interesting Movie, Ron.&nbsp; It could be, or, it could also be attributed movement from vibration.&nbsp; I rather hope it's not the ladder.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<p>Emily Lakdawalla has a very detailed explanation of the TEGA results regarding perchlorate detection. </p><p>It cleared up a lot for me. She's a great reporter!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>See it here</p><p>http://www.planetary.org/blog/</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thank you so very much A-L-P.Works just fine & WOW. it is just like BEING THERE!!!!! It is this kind if response & consideration&nbsp;that makes the efforts involved,&nbsp;definately worth the campaign to save the mission. Great stuff, once again thank you very much. I've had a cursory look (I'm @ work), but already I have noticed some very interesting things (that were not even visible on the large 24 MB one) to say the least. Let's say I will be starting another thread tonight (my time) in SS&A, as this is worthy of it's own thread.I owe you big time A-L-P. I really hope thast you did not use too much of your own time on this, but&nbsp;I am blown away by what you have done for me.Also you chopped it in just the right places. No interesting features were inconveniently cut through, the frames are perfectly set.Andrew Brown. <br /> Posted by 3488</DIV></p><p>You're very welcome!&nbsp; It's the least I could do in consideration for all of your own work contributing to this thread! </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Emily Lakdawalla has a very detailed explanation of the TEGA results regarding perchlorate detection. It cleared up a lot for me. She's a great reporter!&nbsp;See it here<font color="#000080">http://www.planetary.org/blog/ </font><br /> Posted by MeteorWayne</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Thanks Wayne,</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>She sure is very good & 100% committed to the cause.</strong></font></p><p><strong><font size="2">Looks like an attempted sample delivery though the crack in the doors of Oven 5 on TEGA.</font></strong><br /><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/7/62b6cb31-3292-4711-975b-1f987a611c44.Medium.jpg" alt="" /></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Dunno if it was successful or not?</strong></font> <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/12/766f9ac6-59b9-47b1-bc1e-b9dc1957aea5.Medium.gif" alt="" /><br /> <br /><font size="2" color="#000000"><strong>Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>New Mars worm movie I made from Phoenix microscopic imager from images posted for&nbsp;sol 70.Ice-worm/nematode/bacterium or none of the above, you decide???Images have different lighting and some apparent sublimation appears to be going on, nerveless I thought I would share it with you...&nbsp;Watch worm like object move in circled area - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YrBgoRBRJw <br /> Posted by rlb2</DIV></p><p>What is the time frame for the images?&nbsp; How long is the total sequence? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

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<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'><font color="#ff0000">Your very welcome!&nbsp; It's the least I could do in consideration for all of your own work contributing to this thread! <br /> Posted by a_lost_packet_</font></DIV></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I am still blown away by what you did for me. Those images are absolutely incredible.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong> It really gives the sense of when humans do eventually go, what it will be like either looking out of the window of their lander or even through their face plates.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I will keep my promise about the new thread, love doing them. I just need to think how best to go about it, especially as the boards are still being extremely slooooooooooooow & need to keep double posting to be sure.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>But yes there is a huge amount of new detail visible, that was not even visible on the 24 MB one, which on its own is still an amazing pan, but your's blows that one out of the water completely.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>There are certainly what appear to be more pingos to the north, two seeable on the lower res pans, but yours shows what appear to be more peeking over the horizon & the shape & form of the hills are very interesting, one almost looks like a small shield volcano, but I have to be careful about jumping to conclusions, but from where I'm sitting, that's what one looks like to me. </strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I have copied those six images & use the copies for cropping etc, but the original ones you did for me, I will keep unaltered, I just like looking through them & imagine that I am with Phoenix, looking around this fascinating place, in the arctic regions of Mars, a significant first in Martian exploration, a craft I helped personally save from the scrap heap of cancellation.&nbsp;</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>I still owe you a big one.</strong></font></p><p><font size="2"><strong>Andrew Brown.&nbsp;</strong></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>