UFO whistleblowers tell Congress 'we are not alone in the cosmos' (video)

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The latest congressional UFO hearing featured testimony from former military personnel who told representatives that excessive government secrecy hides the fact that we are not alone in the cosmos.

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[COLGeek]

Same stuff. Different day ("testimony").

Nothing new or substantial. Let the outrage begin...

 

[Timothy sasscer]

While there is some validity to following the public dollars being spent on UAP research, there is little fact or science on offer in these hearings, and indeed even that is not new, and is poorly regarded outside true believers. The issue is of extreme interest, quite fun to speculate on, and worthy of intelligent discussions. It's not impossible that aliens exist or even have made it to earth, but until there is actual incontrovertible evidence, it seems a disservice to act as though it is anything beyond a fun conversation. Sure, the excitement and wonder (and fear) is far more compelling than mundane explanations like glare, glitches or Cold War subterfuges, but as Americans especially have a difficult time with reality these days, we cannot afford to tread so lightly with information that is understood as alternative facts. The problem I have is how this hearing fits into the larger cultural denigration of institutions and expertise in favor of 'facts' that 'feel right to me'. Not clearly placing this in the 'fanciful-bordering on fictitious' category is something responsible media must redress. With a subject as compelling and potentially important to all humanity, we obviously need facts over fun, and science over sensation. Even more, we need a bigger megaphone, one that is louder than Fox/Graham Hancock, or the attention given to David Gorush. I am slightly disappointed that COL Geek anticipates negative feedback but I am not blaming Space.com in the slightest-you are part of the reality we need to uphold better.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

While there is some validity to following the public dollars being spent on UAP research, there is little fact or science on offer in these hearings, and indeed even that is not new, and is poorly regarded outside true believers. The issue is of extreme interest, quite fun to speculate on, and worthy of intelligent discussions. It's not impossible that aliens exist or even have made it to earth, but until there is actual incontrovertible evidence, it seems a disservice to act as though it is anything beyond a fun conversation. Sure, the excitement and wonder (and fear) is far more compelling than mundane explanations like glare, glitches or Cold War subterfuges, but as Americans especially have a difficult time with reality these days, we cannot afford to tread so lightly with information that is understood as alternative facts. The problem I have is how this hearing fits into the larger cultural denigration of institutions and expertise in favor of 'facts' that 'feel right to me'. Not clearly placing this in the 'fanciful-bordering on fictitious' category is something responsible media must redress. With a subject as compelling and potentially important to all humanity, we obviously need facts over fun, and science over sensation. Even more, we need a bigger megaphone, one that is louder than Fox/Graham Hancock, or the attention given to David Gorush. I am slightly disappointed that COL Geek anticipates negative feedback but I am not blaming Space.com in the slightest-you are part of the reality we need to uphold better.

You must feel superior to us "true believers," who only question the withholding of information. In fact, this suppression of the facts about the UFOs and the ridicule heaped on those who attempt to get at the truth, at the facts being withheld is a classic example of "disinformation," something our MIC has mastered after 70 years of practice. Never once have the naysayers have been able to explain why information is being withheld from us.

And then you ridicule Elizondo by calling him, COL Geek. There are a lot more heinous names that you are deserving of.

"it seems a disservice to act as though it is anything beyond a fun conversation" -- so funny, OMG. You're so smart that you know what they're hiding. Do you? You really believe the government. Have you read any of the many books written about the CIA showing that they do just as you are now.

The truth is out there and you're just another person trying to hide it. Your attempt to do so reveals everything we need to know about you.

 

[COLGeek]

And then you ridicule Elizondo by calling him, COL Geek. There are a lot more heinous names that you are deserving of.

I think he was referring to me. Regardless, the results of the "testimony" is no different than past "testimony".

Too many assume a conspiracy to hide the "truth". Do you think, for one minute, that a secret of such magnitude could be kept secret? Really?

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

I think he was referring to me. Regardless, the results of the "testimony" is no different than past "testimony".

Too many assume a conspiracy to hide the "truth". Do you think, for one minute, that a secret of such magnitude could be kept secret? Really?

They have kept the truth about the JFK assassination secret all these years, haven't they? Have you ever witnessed a UFO? I have, twice, once a very dramatic experience, which I later checked with the local SAC base about activity at the time I witnessed it, as well as an astronomer about possible celestial manifestations. And I've seen videos of similar sightings of what I saw. There is something out there, and I do believe the crash at Roswell happened. Too many people witnessed it and had no reason to lie. In fact, some didn't tell the truth until they were on their deathbed because of being sworn to secrecy. Stop the nonsense, stop trying to protect the secret.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

I think he was referring to me. Regardless, the results of the "testimony" is no different than past "testimony".

Too many assume a conspiracy to hide the "truth". Do you think, for one minute, that a secret of such magnitude could be kept secret? Really?

Results -- for one, Ellzondo is adhering to his oath. He's not telling everything he knows because he fears retribution. Why would men like him and Grusch expose themselves to ridicule and humiliation if they weren't telling the truth. Can you explain that? Oh, I know, they're mentally ill, is that what you're going to say next? Look at what happened to Galileo when he said the earth revolved around the sun -- he was silenced by the threat of being burned at the stake like Girodano Bruno. Yes, it is amazing that a secret like this has been withheld.

People will believe anything if it's in their interests to believe it, and it certainly would freak out a lot of people if there was the certainty that we are being visited by superior beings who could potentially take control of us. Why do you think they formed Majestic 12 after Roswell?

 

[COLGeek]

They have kept the truth about the JFK assassination secret all these years, haven't they? Have you ever witnessed a UFO? I have, twice, once a very dramatic experience, which I later checked with the local SAC base about activity at the time I witnessed it, as well as an astronomer about possible celestial manifestations. And I've seen videos of similar sightings of what I saw. There is something out there, and I do believe the crash at Roswell happened. Too many people witnessed it and had no reason to lie. In fact, some didn't tell the truth until they were on their deathbed because of being sworn to secrecy. Stop the nonsense, stop trying to protect the secret.

I'm not protecting anything, as there is nothing to protect.

Seeing something unidentified does not mean aliens or some otherworldly thing. It just means unknown.

Good luck with your endeavors.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

Results -- for one, Ellzondo is adhering to his oath. He's not telling everything he knows because he fears retribution. Why would men like him and Grusch expose themselves to ridicule and humiliation if they weren't telling the truth. Can you explain that? Oh, I know, they're mentally ill, is that what you're going to say next? Look at what happened to Galileo when he said the earth revolved around the sun -- he was silenced by the threat of being burned at the stake like Girodano Bruno. Yes, it is amazing that a secret like this has been withheld. People will believe anything if it's in their interests to believe it, and it certainly would freak out a lot of people if there was the certainty that we are being visited by superior beings who could potentially take control of us. Why do you think they formed Majestic 12 after Roswell?

 

[billslugg]

There is one thing that would instantly convert the harshest skeptic. An isotopic analysis of an alien fingernail clipping or cigarette butt. Such data is conclusive and cannot be faked. It is absurdly easy to obtain but for some strange reason no one has ever come forward with the data.

 

[COLGeek]

There is one thing that would instantly convert the harshest skeptic. An isotopic analysis of an alien fingernail clipping or cigarette butt. Such data is conclusive and cannot be faked. It is absurdly easy to obtain but for some strange reason no one has ever come forward with the data.

.. or a clear verifiable picture for that matter.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

There is one thing that would instantly convert the harshest skeptic. An isotopic analysis of an alien fingernail clipping or cigarette butt. Such data is conclusive and cannot be faked. It is absurdly easy to obtain but for some strange reason no one has ever come forward with the data.

Perhaps those who have such evidence don't want to do such an analysis.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

.. or a clear verifiable picture for that matter.

There have been plenty of clear verifiable pictures -- what do you think the videos are that the Pentagon has released?

 

[billslugg]

I'm sure they don't. It would instantly expose them as a fraud.

 

[COLGeek]

There have been plenty of clear verifiable pictures -- what do you think the videos are that the Pentagon has released?

I have seen those, in ad nauseum, and they prove nothing beyond being "unknown". Doesn't mean aliens.

No matter how much you wish it, there is no evidence.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

I have seen those, in ad nauseum, and they prove nothing beyond being "unknown". Doesn't mean aliens.

No matter how much you wish it, there is no evidence.

I have witnessed them and they weren't illusions. Does it prove they're aliens. Not my observations, but I know they're real and can't be explained because I did try to get verification, once with a U.S. Air Force Base. Both times what I witnessed and the phenomena were actually different, they were near strategic installations - a nuke reactor site and the NSA site in Bluffdale Utah which is across the street from a military base -- one at 3 am and the other at night in a desolate area

 

[COLGeek]

I have witnessed them and they weren't illusions. Does it prove they're aliens. Not my observations, but I know they're real and can't be explained because I did try to get verification, once with a U.S. Air Force Base. Both times what I witnessed and the phenomena were actually different, they were near strategic installations - a nuke reactor site and the NSA site in Bluffdale Utah which is across the street from a military base -- one at 3 am and the other at night in a desolate area

Ok. I have no doubt you saw something. Still doesn't mean what you want it to be.

Calling a USAF base to ask about/report something will net you (or any public caller) nothing.

Importance of locales? Not a convincing alien argument.

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

I have witnessed them and they weren't illusions. Does it prove they're aliens. Not my observations, but I know they're real and can't be explained because I did try to get verification, once with a U.S. Air Force Base. Both times what I witnessed and the phenomena were actually different, they were near strategic installations - a nuke reactor site and the NSA site in Bluffdale Utah which is across the street from a military base -- one at 3 am and the other at night in a desolate area

I have seen those, in ad nauseum, and they prove nothing beyond being "unknown". Doesn't mean aliens.

No matter how much you wish it, there is no evidence.

How much do you know about Roswell? Have you ever tried to look into it? Have you ever considered what people who did have said? Do you know what Majestic 12 was? Have you ever met a person who claims to have been abducted by aliens -- I have? Did I believe her after I met her. To be honest, I was very skeptical because she seemed out of her mind. Then, after that, I had a very dramatic experience in which something came down over the sky at night streaked out over my head into the ocean. It was so vivid I can still see it 46 years later. What the heck was that?

But consider this, to most people the reality that we are being visited does seem crazy. It's hard for us to accept it and so it's easy for us to deny it if we haven't experienced it. I kind of put the subject out of my mind, but my recent observation and the many reports coming out and now these whistleblowers have renewed my interest. They have no reason to lie, and in fact it puts them in jeopardy, much like Chelsea Manning.

 

[Timothy sasscer]

Truth;

While I genuinely appreciate the dialogue, perhaps I could clarify a few points you've commented on. My intention was to discuss not just aliens but the general mistrust of science and educational institutions that alien hunters are adjacent to. I don’t feel superior to anybody, and I'm not entirely sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I read Von Daniken as a child, know who Ignatius Donnelly is, have a passing familiarity with Bob Lazar and David Gorush, and understand Graham Hancock primarily as entertainment, but am more interested in what misinformation and science denial do to our country than trying to settle any matter of alien visitation.

I actually agree with you that the government has been complicit in some of the misunderstandings regarding aliens, but for different reasons. Although other factors could well have been involved (atmospheric conditions, imagination, etc) I think it highly probable the government was testing military secrets, or perhaps reverse engineering Soviet technology, and found the UFO craze a convenient cover, a choice which has backfired somewhat in the loss of credibility from the public. ( I am also well aware of the various counter-arguments, along the lines of 'that's what they want you to believe, sheeple). I don't know if this is in fact true, but it aligns more to me with plausibility than assuming extraterrestrials have been in contact with humans. I remain uncomfortable asserting as fact something for which the 'evidence' is so circumstantial as to invite widespread skepticism from the scientific community.

Regarding that scientific community, I grew up very near the Arecibo Observatory (RIP), which was for decades involved in SETI. I know personally many people who worked there on those projects. Everyone loves space, and would love to find any evidence whatsoever of alien visitation. The fact that they and a vast preponderance of scientists worldwide don't feel there is any evidence of aliens doesn't mean there aren't any...just that we have no evidence and therefore cannot in any good conscience declare unequivocally that there are. By the way, the same home was next to an immense SAC Air Force base, at the tip of the Bermuda Triangle (through which I’ve flown, sailed, surfed and swum for decades without issue). There is a video of an UAP filmed there, the two objects that disappear into the ocean, credibly if not conclusively countered by Mick West. I’d always felt that geographic area was pretty well covered by both scientists and the military, and I would just like to add the two groups were not working in tandem.

Also, while I have no high regard for Mr. Elizondo, (I believe the Romanian Mothership was an honest if biased mistake, but also that much of what he says is unsubstantiated -or is it censored-regarding his ‘work’ with secret government programs), I wasn’t referring to him at all. ‘COL Geek’ refers to this forum’s moderator, who made the initial posting (see above). It was he who said “ Let the outrage begin…” referring to what he obviously, and apparently correctly, thought was coming in the comments section. My disappointment was that a moderator from Space.com expected some vigorous pushback from commenting about the hearing:
"...Same stuff. Different day ("testimony"). Nothing new or substantial". I expect such pushback in more general forums, or places like X or You Tube, but agree with them that in an ostensibly scientific -oriented publication it is always a disappointment when anger and emotions conquer rational and reasoned discourse.

Last thoughts:

I genuinely feel the slippery slope of diminishing science is 10% healthy-we should always be willing to question or listen to new evidence-, but 90% a problem we are only now realizing (with the recent election) in full.

I regret any inadvertent stepping on nerves, but don’t feel the anger and name-calling elevates the discussion much, nor the cartoon/grade-school bullying tone (“…Your attempt to do so reveals everything we need to know about you…There are a lot more heinous names that you are deserving of.) It did, however, make me laugh, and so perhaps a thanks is in order as well.

 

[Classical Motion]

If an alien spacecraft landed in your backyard, what would be your first question?

Who are you?

Where are you from?

Not me. My first question is how in the heck did you get here?

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

Ok. I have no doubt you saw something. Still doesn't mean what you want it to be.

Calling a USAF base to ask about/report something will net you (or any public caller) nothing.

Importance of locales? Not a convincing alien argument.

Well, you do know UFOs have commonly been seen over nuclear facilities and military bases. It may not be convincing but it is a convincing argument that the military knows something and is hiding it. Tell me, what do you think it is. Are you concerned or at least curious why they are hiding it? Don't you think we should be told?

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

Truth;

While I genuinely appreciate the dialogue, perhaps I could clarify a few points you've commented on. My intention was to discuss not just aliens but the general mistrust of science and educational institutions that alien hunters are adjacent to. I don’t feel superior to anybody, and I'm not entirely sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I read Von Daniken as a child, know who Ignatius Donnelly is, have a passing familiarity with Bob Lazar and David Gorush, and understand Graham Hancock primarily as entertainment, but am more interested in what misinformation and science denial do to our country than trying to settle any matter of alien visitation.

I actually agree with you that the government has been complicit in some of the misunderstandings regarding aliens, but for different reasons. Although other factors could well have been involved (atmospheric conditions, imagination, etc) I think it highly probable the government was testing military secrets, or perhaps reverse engineering Soviet technology, and found the UFO craze a convenient cover, a choice which has backfired somewhat in the loss of credibility from the public. ( I am also well aware of the various counter-arguments, along the lines of 'that's what they want you to believe, sheeple). I don't know if this is in fact true, but it aligns more to me with plausibility than assuming extraterrestrials have been in contact with humans. I remain uncomfortable asserting as fact something for which the 'evidence' is so circumstantial as to invite widespread skepticism from the scientific community.

Regarding that scientific community, I grew up very near the Arecibo Observatory (RIP), which was for decades involved in SETI. I know personally many people who worked there on those projects. Everyone loves space, and would love to find any evidence whatsoever of alien visitation. The fact that they and a vast preponderance of scientists worldwide don't feel there is any evidence of aliens doesn't mean there aren't any...just that we have no evidence and therefore cannot in any good conscience declare unequivocally that there are. By the way, the same home was next to an immense SAC Air Force base, at the tip of the Bermuda Triangle (through which I’ve flown, sailed, surfed and swum for decades without issue). There is a video of an UAP filmed there, the two objects that disappear into the ocean, credibly if not conclusively countered by Mick West. I’d always felt that geographic area was pretty well covered by both scientists and the military, and I would just like to add the two groups were not working in tandem.

Also, while I have no high regard for Mr. Elizondo, (I believe the Romanian Mothership was an honest if biased mistake, but also that much of what he says is unsubstantiated -or is it censored-regarding his ‘work’ with secret government programs), I wasn’t referring to him at all. ‘COL Geek’ refers to this forum’s moderator, who made the initial posting (see above). It was he who said “ Let the outrage begin…” referring to what he obviously, and apparently correctly, thought was coming in the comments section. My disappointment was that a moderator from Space.com expected some vigorous pushback from commenting about the hearing:
"...Same stuff. Different day ("testimony"). Nothing new or substantial". I expect such pushback in more general forums, or places like X or You Tube, but agree with them that in an ostensibly scientific -oriented publication it is always a disappointment when anger and emotions conquer rational and reasoned discourse.

Last thoughts:

I genuinely feel the slippery slope of diminishing science is 10% healthy-we should always be willing to question or listen to new evidence-, but 90% a problem we are only now realizing (with the recent election) in full.

I regret any inadvertent stepping on nerves, but don’t feel the anger and name-calling elevates the discussion much, nor the cartoon/grade-school bullying tone (“…Your attempt to do so reveals everything we need to know about you…There are a lot more heinous names that you are deserving of.) It did, however, make me laugh, and so perhaps a thanks is in order as well.

Well, if you have been a witness to some of these phenomena, you might feel as I do. And I don't believe that the existence of aliens visiting our planet shows disbelief in science. In fact, it flies against all logical thinking that we are alone. There's nothing in science that denies the reality of UFOs being of extraterrestrial origin. In fact, it's just the reverse, because the military observations testify, their science-based instruments, show that whatever these things are, they can do things that nothing we have invented can do. If our adversaries had such technology, I think the balance of power in the world would've long ago shifted.

 

[COLGeek]

Well, you do know UFOs have commonly been seen over nuclear facilities and military bases. It may not be convincing but it is a convincing argument that the military knows something and is hiding it. Tell me, what do you think it is. Are you concerned or at least curious why they are hiding it? Don't you think we should be told?

I am not concerned about aliens. I do worry about other global adversaries.

I understand national interests, aliens isn't one of those.

Think for a minute...do you believe a member of Congress, with factual knowledge of such an event could keep it to him/herself? Or the discharged service member or academic trying to gain fame and fortune? What about expanding this to the entire globe and those "in the know folks"?

 

[TheTruthIsOutThere]

I am not concerned about aliens. I do worry about other global adversaries.

I understand national interests, aliens isn't one of those.

Think for a minute...do you believe a member of Congress, with factual knowledge of such an event could keep it to him/herself? Or the discharged service member or academic trying to gain fame and fortune? What about expanding this to the entire globe and those "in the know folks"?

Yes, we have more immediate concerns because if the aliens are or have been here, if they had bad intentions, they likely would already have carried them out.

Who knows what our government leaders might keep to themselves if they were threatened?

Academics are ridiculed. I already showed you an example with Galileo

If you were someone in a leadership position of power like a President or a Prime Minister or similar, would you reveal it? I know at least one President, Jimmy Carter, had a sighting and was very interested before he became President. But after that, we didn't hear about it.

He's 100 now and hasn't got much time left. I wonder what he would say if he were interviewed now?

The truth is out there but the government is trying to hide it, there's no doubt that they're hiding something, and that is the truth.

 

[COLGeek]

Yes, we have more immediate concerns because if the aliens are or have been here, if they had bad intentions, they likely would already have carried them out.

Who knows what our government leaders might keep to themselves if they were threatened?

Academics are ridiculed. I already showed you an example with Galileo

If you were someone in a leadership position of power like a President or a Prime Minister or similar, would you reveal it? I know at least one President, Jimmy Carter, had a sighting and was very interested before he became President. But after that, we didn't hear about it.

He's 100 now and hasn't got much time left. I wonder what he would say if he were interviewed now?

The truth is out there but the government is trying to hide it, there's no doubt that they're hiding something, and that is the truth.

Let's agree to disagree.

I have zero doubt, given the vastness of the Universe that intelligent life exists elsewhere. That is a belief that I can't prove. I can use logic and math to support my position, but not actual proof.

President Carter may have inquired and learned nothing. Same for all since, and some before, him.