Western US residents report the most UFO sightings — what are they actually seeing?

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Wide-open spaces of the western U.S. may partly explain the region’s higher UAP sightings, according to a new study.

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[WholeWheaty]

Do yourself a favor. Look at a light pollution map of the United States. I'd say that's the main reason. It's a 1:1 correlation. UAP are often appearing as rapidly zig zagging stars in LEO. Well you'd have to be able to see the stars to see them...

 

[billslugg]

Another correlation is with mountains. They make lenticular clouds.

 

[Questioner]

The desert Southwest is more arid so cloud cover is probably generally lower.
A possibility is people in the west are less self conscious (socially inhibited).

Geographic selectivity lends credence that it is actual, relatively tangible phenomena being observed.

Know it all 'authorities' are very invested in crushing any alternative viewpoints. It undercuts the severity and implied violent enforcement of the 'absolute knowledge' 'authorities'.

Certainty is commonly an addictive drug.

Beware of black swans....

 

[Dave]

Vast open spaces with clearer skies certainly leads to more sightings. This type of data along with clear evidence ("hundreds of credible military reports remain unexplained and are continuing to pour in") needs to be investigated by a mainstream body of scientists who can give an unbiased report concerning UAP's.
For decades the DOD and AARO have misdirected , lied and covered up information about UAP's. Spacecraft have been seen that defy the laws of physics. These spacecraft have not been reported as threats. Intelligent lifeforms observing the earth do not wish contact. They do not wish to be discovered.
There is good news. Bipartisan members of congress are working, doing their best to have the truth revealed to both congress and to the public.

 

[COLGeek]

Vast open spaces with clearer skies certainly leads to more sightings. This type of data along with clear evidence ("hundreds of credible military reports remain unexplained and are continuing to pour in") needs to be investigated by a mainstream body of scientists who can give an unbiased report concerning UAP's.
For decades the DOD and AARO have misdirected , lied and covered up information about UAP's. Spacecraft have been seen that defy the laws of physics. These spacecraft have not been reported as threats. Intelligent lifeforms observing the earth do not wish contact. They do not wish to be discovered.
There is good news. Bipartisan members of congress are working, doing their best to have the truth revealed to both congress and to the public.

Dave, I applaud your steadfast belief that these "efforts" will accomplish something. I recommend you keep your expectations low.

If there was anything remotely true, from your perspective, it would be the topic of endless news cycles as the very folks you are pinning your hopes on love to be in front of cameras, particularly in these turbulent political times. Anything for air time, no matter how sensational, or true/false/ill-informed for that matter.

 

[HobartStinsonian]

Or it’s the old saying, “Go west, young aliens”.

 

[Hardcrunchyscience]

Vast open spaces with clearer skies certainly leads to more sightings. This type of data along with clear evidence ("hundreds of credible military reports remain unexplained and are continuing to pour in") needs to be investigated by a mainstream body of scientists who can give an unbiased report concerning UAP's.
For decades the DOD and AARO have misdirected , lied and covered up information about UAP's. Spacecraft have been seen that defy the laws of physics. These spacecraft have not been reported as threats. Intelligent lifeforms observing the earth do not wish contact. They do not wish to be discovered.
There is good news. Bipartisan members of congress are working, doing their best to have the truth revealed to both congress and to the public.

Dave, if there was even the TINIEST HINT OF A SHRED (yes, nested 3 deep) of evidence that UAP sightings were aliens from beyond Earth, the DOD and NASA would be on it like starving dogs on a ham bone, wanting MONEY MONEY MONEY to protect us from invading aliens. The DOD and especially NASA have a prime directive to increase their budgets (and influence and importance) as much as possible. Period. You would never hear the end of it, rather than them hushing it up. They would be yammering literally daily, beating the drum for bigger budgets to protect us from the alien hordes. Not decades of silence punctuated by denials. The US defense budget tanked post WWII. If the Roswell artifacts were alien bodies, they would not cover it up, they would have paraded that **** up the National Mall to the Capitol (requiring the networks to all cover it live), saying GIMME. I'm absolutely astounded that they are not making up alien existence rather than covering it up. Anyone with the slightest passing knowledge of politics and budgets would agree. You can't refute this, not possible.

NASA and the DOD and the federal government are NOT covering up the existence of aliens, because they all would gain ENORMOUSLY if they existed. Period.

Capiche??

 

[Questioner]

Technological advantage is the ability to exclusively exercise that technology.
Patents are the clumsy legalistic version of that.

Somebody discovers where a rich gold vein is,
do you think they're going to announce it to you?

Seriously, how naive are you?

The problem with having everything covert is ultimately the most sinuous & violent factions will inevitably end up in control.
Those entities, human or not probably don't have our best interests at heart.

The counter problem is letting everyone have access to technology can lead to problems likely even worse than global warming.

 

[Dave]

There has never been any suggestion that intelligent lifeforms observing the earth are invading. These ideas are science fiction. Their true purpose for observing is unknown.
Data and logical conclusions is what is needed. There is an absence of sightings in central America. There are no large bodies of water found there either. These are the reasons mainstream scientists need to investigate UAP's.

In the future if all goes well, humankind will build ships to go to the stars. It is likely we will have learned to be one as a species at that time. Who will go to the stars? The military. We will have no need for social aggression. When we find intelligent life and observe another intelligent species who are say more primitive, we will not contact them. They will be hostile, our science will be the better science and we will easily conceal ourselves.
We will wisely not give them that 'smoking gun,' of evidence. They are too dangerous.

Human problems such as poverty, war and climate change stymie us. They do so, because we do not act as humans, as a whole.. We act like a collection of tribes (read countries) who do not address our true problems. This is what intelligent lifeforms are observing as you read this. The evidence from credible witnesses is overwhelming.

 

[billslugg]

Talk is cheap. A million times nothing is still nothing. Bring in a piece of a UAP and we'll see.

 

[Questioner]

If one builds one's own one will learn more.
Hopefully avoiding a terminally steep learning curve.

 

[Hardcrunchyscience]

There has never been any suggestion that intelligent lifeforms observing the earth are invading. These ideas are science fiction. Their true purpose for observing is unknown.
Data and logical conclusions is what is needed. There is an absence of sightings in central America. There are no large bodies of water found there either. These are the reasons mainstream scientists need to investigate UAP's.

In the future if all goes well, humankind will build ships to go to the stars. It is likely we will have learned to be one as a species at that time. Who will go to the stars? The military. We will have no need for social aggression. When we find intelligent life and observe another intelligent species who are say more primitive, we will not contact them. They will be hostile, our science will be the better science and we will easily conceal ourselves.
We will wisely not give them that 'smoking gun,' of evidence. They are too dangerous.

Human problems such as poverty, war and climate change stymie us. They do so, because we do not act as humans, as a whole.. We act like a collection of tribes (read countries) who do not address our true problems. This is what intelligent lifeforms are observing as you read this. The evidence from credible witnesses is overwhelming.

Hey Dave, you never commented on or refuted or addressed my argument. The only thing you said is "no suggestion aliens are invading" would not change the fact that ANY alien presence, threatening or not, would trigger NASA and the DOD to announce it and ask for wads and wads of funding. Invading or not, NASA and DOD would announce it so widely and loudly, you could not miss it. No comment or refutation of my argument means you are tacitly admitting your argument is false, and you are afraid to admit it.

 

[Dave]

After back to back World Wars the human race found peace. Funny thing that. We have also recorded over decades hundreds of credible sightings of UAP's. You only need one credible witness in a court of law to win a case.
The human race is a an ever present danger to itself. What we do well is kill our own. This intelligent species, they know we are one race, but we are fools. We are still primitive and war with our own.
This is what intelligent lifeforms observing us see. There is not enough data to speculate the reason for their observation. They have never been observed as a threat . They may be trying to stop us from harming ourselves. Does anyone think that this is information the military want to share? No. What they want is to keep everything a secret in the hopes they can obtain a spacecraft from a more intelligent species to reverse engineer it. As a race we are a collection of tribes always trying to dominate cutting the throat of the other.

The human race is like a tree. We care only for the branches and the leaves. This is what we see when we look at the tree. The root is hidden. We are constantly damaging the root. If you do not take care of the root the tree dies.

We like to believe we are the center of the universe and yet there are 300 million potentially habitable worlds in our galaxy alone.

 

[billslugg]

Courts prove based on being "beyond reasonable doubt". Science demands repeatability. Show me where an extraterrestrial craft is such that I can see it every single time I go look for it at 5 nines probability. Anecdotal, one time witness accounts can't do that no matter how many of them there are.

 

[Hardcrunchyscience]

Courts prove based on being "beyond reasonable doubt". Science demands repeatability. Show me where an extraterrestrial craft is such that I can see it every single time I go look for it at 5 nines probability. Anecdotal, one time witness accounts can't do that no matter how many of them there are.

Hey Bill, do a search for Hopkinsville alien encounter, supposedly a gold plated close encounter of the third kind. Synopsis. Rural Kentucky, these hillbillies were entertaining their new friends (circus carnys, believe it or not!). Drinking till early in the morning when one goes outside for a pee, sees a meteor. An hour more of drinking, they find themselves besieged by aliens!! They literally shoot out all their windows and make many, many holes in their cabin. Aliens turn out to be great horned owls, the size, sound and appearance of the aliens. A gold plated encounter, according to the UFO enthusiasts. . . Wikipedia has a good read on it. What a hoot (pun intended).

 

[Hardcrunchyscience]

After back to back World Wars the human race found peace. Funny thing that. We have also recorded over decades hundreds of credible sightings of UAP's. You only need one credible witness in a court of law to win a case.
The human race is a an ever present danger to itself. What we do well is kill our own. This intelligent species, they know we are one race, but we are fools. We are still primitive and war with our own.
This is what intelligent lifeforms observing us see. There is not enough data to speculate the reason for their observation. They have never been observed as a threat . They may be trying to stop us from harming ourselves. Does anyone think that this is information the military want to share? No. What they want is to keep everything a secret in the hopes they can obtain a spacecraft from a more intelligent species to reverse engineer it. As a race we are a collection of tribes always trying to dominate cutting the throat of the other.

The human race is like a tree. We care only for the branches and the leaves. This is what we see when we look at the tree. The root is hidden. We are constantly damaging the root. If you do not take care of the root the tree dies.

We like to believe we are the center of the universe and yet there are 300 million potentially habitable worlds in our galaxy alone.

No, you are not addressing your point of a government coverup. The government would be trumpeting the slightest little sliver of evidence to pump up NASA and DOD funding. So not even a sliver of evidence being covered up. No coverup. None. Nada. As for your hundreds of credible sightings, there are none. This is just wrong, your imagination, your gullibility to the conspiracy nutbags. If there were even one credible piece of evidence, the government would have been trumpeting it for decades, and dumping money on NASA and DOD. Dinna happen. No conspiracy. No credible sightings. No observers. Nada. The military would be screaming bloody murder 'GIVE US MONEY!!!'

Not all of us are fools, believing this conspiracy idiocy.

 

[Classical Motion]

Reality is like DNA. Everybody's DNA is different. The only common thing realities have is physicality. So people should try to grasp this common thing.

And thru this study, not only do we find no life.......even if we did......there is no way for to travel this space. Or even communication thru it. A boundary like no other.

And if there was aliens here, no way to keep it secret. For the person that exposes it, will have the recognition of Adam. Or Abraham. A name thru-out history.

The only aliens that could arrive would be inter earth people. The lizard people.

Real science is a passion heart-breaker.

 

[Dave]

The intelligent lifeforms observing us have been observing an extraterrestrial spacecraft for decades. We call it the ISS. It will not be the last one we build.

The military have all the answers and evidence. Bipartisan members of congress are working hard to get those answers. It will take time. The cover up, misdirection and lies has been going on for decades. It will not be an easy road.

 

[Questioner]

Some power/control grabs are much more subtle than others.

"...NASA and DOD would announce it..."

Did the US military announce the Tuskegee experiment,

Tuskegee Syphilis Study - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

or operation "Sea Spray" on San Francisco,

Operation Sea-Spray - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

or "The US has a history of testing biological weapons on the public..."

The US has a history of testing biological weapons on the public – were infected ticks used too?

The Pentagon has been instructed by the House of Representatives to investigate whether ticks were infected with Lyme disease by the US military.

theconversation.com

As for 'needing' funding,
"MSU scholars find $21 trillion in unauthorized government spending"

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct

From late 2017
Conspiracy is a scientific fact.

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Groups lie more than individuals, according to new research

Do you pride yourself on being an honest person? Even individuals who have a proven track record of honest behavior are no match for the potentially negative influences present in a group dynamic, especially when money is at stake, according to a new study.

www.sciencedaily.com

Proportionally groups lie with greater propensity than individuals do for wealth, control and power.

I would be suspicious about any prospective alien's agenda,
but people in power have an unending history of lies and deceit.

And the general population doesn't rationally hold anyone to account.

 

[Hardcrunchyscience]

The intelligent lifeforms observing us have been observing an extraterrestrial spacecraft for decades. We call it the ISS. It will not be the last one we build.

The military have all the answers and evidence. Bipartisan members of congress are working hard to get those answers. It will take time. The cover up, misdirection and lies has been going on for decades. It will not be an easy road.

It's so cute to watch you wiggle, obfusticate, dodge. Repeating your pathetic thesis does not make it right. Did you leave out milk and cookies for the Easter Bunny too?

 

[Questioner]

Ad homiem attacks would indicate you don't have any empiric evidence to support your own stance.

 

[Hardcrunchyscience]

Some power/control grabs are much more subtle than others.

"...NASA and DOD would announce it..."

Did the US military announce the Tuskegee experiment,

Tuskegee Syphilis Study - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

or operation "Sea Spray" on San Francisco,

Operation Sea-Spray - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

or "The US has a history of testing biological weapons on the public..."

The US has a history of testing biological weapons on the public – were infected ticks used too?

The Pentagon has been instructed by the House of Representatives to investigate whether ticks were infected with Lyme disease by the US military.

theconversation.com

As for 'needing' funding,
"MSU scholars find $21 trillion in unauthorized government spending"

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2017/msu-scholars-find-21-trillion-in-unauthorized-government-spending-defense-department-to-conduct

From late 2017
Conspiracy is a scientific fact.

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Groups lie more than individuals, according to new research

Do you pride yourself on being an honest person? Even individuals who have a proven track record of honest behavior are no match for the potentially negative influences present in a group dynamic, especially when money is at stake, according to a new study.

www.sciencedaily.com

Proportionally groups lie with greater propensity than individuals do for wealth, control and power.

I would be suspicious about any prospective alien's agenda,
but people in power have an unending history of lies and deceit.

And the general population doesn't rationally hold anyone to account.

Pretty pathetic little retort, none of it is even remotely applicable to the discussion. 21 trillion in unauthorized spending - wrong. Lie. Prove us the conspiracy, bring us an alien spaceship, or something better the statements of drunk Kentucky hillbillies mistaking great horned owls for aliens. And

"I would be suspicious about any prospective alien's agenda,
but people in power have an unending history of lies and deceit."

does not even parse logically, what does it mean? Its a bad non-sequetor

 

[Dave]

The bipartisan members of congress are angry. They are livid because a blank check is given to secret wings of the military. These people in the military already have all the money they want. Bipartisan members of congress are answering to their constituents. They want accountability.

 

[Hardcrunchyscience]

Ad homiem attacks would indicate you don't have any empiric evidence to support your own stance.

All the ad homiem and dodging of logic is all yours.
It must be hell in your . . . "brain". And I'm done trying to talk any sense to the witless. Bye bye.