Wormholes

[mvisvitae]

Wormholes are designed like slinkies they oscillate - Are wormholes paths set in an predertimed design or can they move - can one wormhole connect to another wormhole?

 

[newtonian]

mvisvitae - As an organic gardener I can certainly confirm wormholes move and can connect with other wormholes.<br /><br />I am not sure how intelligent worms are in determining the size and shape of various types of wormholes.<br /><br />OK, that was my sense of humor. <br /><br />I will research it and get back to you on the more exotic wormholes considered in astronomy!

 

[newtonian]

mviosvitae - See this link:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormholes<br /><br />Note these are theoretical - no one, to my knowledge, has observed a wormhole - except on Star Trek, etc. <br /><br />I will need more time to study that wikipedia article, but one basic point I will comment on for now:<br /><br />A wormhole would shorten the distance traveled from one point in our universe to another by burrowing through the radius of a balloon shaped universe rather than simple travel on the circumference, which would be longer.<br /><br />But this presupposes not only that type of curved space-time but also that distance, in our 3-d sense, actually exists in a radius through a balloon model universe.<br /><br />At any rate, evidence confirms our universe is more in line with a flat model.<br /><br />I would be more inclined to oonsider travel via another dimension which may connect with our universe at certain points - or lines.<br /><br />The distance travelled would be in a different dimension - say 5th, 10th, etc. in various String theories.<br /><br />Compare some of the collision of brane models for the origin of our universe - and consider that interaction with another universe or another dimension may be possible.<br /><br />Keep in mind we are dealing with theoretical physcis, etc., not actual observation.

 

[mvisvitae]

You are amazing thanks I briefed through the article and will read it fully a little later...

 

[pizzaguy]

Wormholes can be ANYTHING you want them to be ... since they are little more than science fiction.<br /><br />Be careful with Wikipedia, they take 'input' from ANYONE (or at least it seems), I have seen some silly stuff on there. <br /><br /><font color="yellow">Welcome to Wikipedia,<br />the free encyclopedia that <b>anyone can edit.</b></font>/b> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1"><em>Note to Dr. Henry:  The testosterone shots are working!</em></font> </div>

 

[mvisvitae]

I could tell just from your personal quote that you are a close-minded individual - you cannot prove that they do not exist nor can you prove that they exist...<br /><br />"Imagination is more important than knowledge" Albert Einstein

 

[harmonicaman]

<b>Mvisvitae -</b><br /><br />Well; since you seem to believe a totally unsubstantiated phenomenon is based on reality, I guess that would label you as delusional...

 

[mvisvitae]

Having an open mind does not make you "delusional"...phenomena are things that are yet to be proven...just because they cannot be proven at this time does not mean that they should be dismissed... if it can be imagined it may very well exist albeit in another arena....you are close-minded also<br /><br />"No Existe Un Gran Mente Sin Mixtura Dementia Frute"<br />Albert Einstein

 

[newtonian]

mvisvitae - Just to emphasize: I do not know wormholes exist outside of the organic gardening sense.<br /><br />Since current evidence favors a flat model, this changes the theoretical model.<br /><br />It's good to keep an open mind about things not proven one way or the other.<br /><br />I will research further - since I do not discount the other posters opinions.

 

[nexium]

Pizzaguy tends to be closed minded, but I reluctantly agree with him on this topic. There is very little, but speculation about worm holes and I have edited Wikipedia and written arcticles for Wikipedia, but I suspect nearly everything I wrote was edited out within a few weeks. Wikipedia is wrong briefly, but most of the errors are corrected, in weeks, if not days. It may not be a coincidence that Wikipedia lost my password about the third week of my editing spree. Neil

 

[newtonian]

harmonicaman and mvisvitae - I think mvisvitae simply has an open mind on the subject - certainly not delusional!<br /><br />Many scientists have considered the possibility wormholes exist - theoretical - please note.<br /><br />Theory is not necessarily fact of course.<br /><br />Here is an entry from Encarta under black holes concerning wormholes - I quote more context since the former applies to my thread question about mini-black holes:<br /><br />"The English physicist Stephen Hawking has suggested that many black holes may have formed in the early universe. If this were so, many of these black holes could be too far from other matter to form detectable accretion disks, and they could even compose a significant fraction of the total mass of the universe. For black holes of sufficiently small mass it is possible for only one member of an electron-positron pair near the horizon to fall into the black hole, the other escaping (see X Ray: Pair Production). The resulting radiation carries off energy, in a sense evaporating the black hole. Any primordial black holes weighing less than a few thousand million metric tons would have already evaporated, but heavier ones may remain.<br /><br />The American astronomer Kip Thorne of California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, California, has evaluated the chance that black holes can collapse to form "wormholes," connections between otherwise distant parts of the universe. He concludes that an unknown form of "exotic matter" would be necessary for such wormholes to survive."<br /><br />Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

 

[newtonian]

mvisvitae - Here is some more from the 2003 Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia on Wormholes:<br /><br />"Q: Do wormholes—shortcuts through time and space—exist?<br /><br />A: Isaac Newton in 1687 advanced the law of gravity, describing the strength of the force that pulls any two masses together. Albert Einstein in 1916, in his general theory of relativity, explained gravity as a warping of space. An analogy would be to put a heavy weight in the middle of your bed, causing the mattress to sag. If you then rolled a ball across the bed, its path would curve when it entered the sagging part of the mattress. You might think that the weight was pulling the ball to it by gravity. This example shows a two-dimensional surface curving into an extra dimension. Similarly, scientists describe the universe as a four-dimensional space-time, and Einstein’s theory shows how a massive object causes it to curve.<br /><br />If the weight were extremely heavy, the dent in the mattress would be very deep. A black hole is a curvature of space so extreme that nothing, not even light, can escape. Some scientists have proposed that the opposite also exists: a white hole, out of which matter comes. The question then is whether the black hole and the white hole can be connected, so that matter that goes into the black hole comes out of the white hole. We call this link a wormhole. Once you enter the black hole you are pulled inward and are eventually crushed. Wormholes can, in principle, connect two regions of space without the extreme warp of a black hole.<br /><br />In the 1980s Carl Sagan, in writing his novel Contact (later made into a major motion picture of the same name), consulted the Caltech theoretician Kip Thorne to see if a wormhole could transport his heroine from one place in the universe to another. Physicists had previously calculated that the throat connecting the two ends of a wormhole would pinch off too quickly for anything to pass through. But following Sagan’s question, Thorne and a

 

[mvisvitae]

Once again Newtonian, I admire your intellect....you are perhaps the most open-minded individual I have ever encountered, not just with your responses but the questions you pose have set me off into a thought stream and after many hours of constant pondering on numerous topics I now have an enormous amount of questions that I am on a search for answers to....MARLA

 

[hopenpj]

Commentary below links string theory and wormholes - making for interesting, albeit a bit more sci-fi, interpretation and conjecture.<br /><br />Steven Hawking has some interesting theories as well on wormholes, string theory, and other hypotheses... It makes for dense reading but with a bottle of Clos Du Bois Pinot Noir, everything becomes more crystallized.<br />-----------------------------------------------<br />From www.thespacesite.com<br /><br />There are two theories of hyperspace, the first is jumping to a higher dimension where there is no light speed barrier, the second involves jumping to a higher dimension and use it as a short cut through our three spatial dimensions, much like the wormhole idea. It is generally thought that the first idea is simply a misinterpretation of the second, i.e. because of the short cut it seems like faster than light travel has been achieved.<br /><br />The idea of the shortcut is based upon the theory that space is curved and rather than having to go right round the curve in three dimensions, we can cut across it in a fourth spatial dimension. This would be extremely powerful.<br />The major problem here is of course the question of dimensions.<br /><br />String theory does predict many alternative dimensions (at least 10) although they are all curled up into tiny balls many times smaller than an atomic nucleus. Under this theory it would be impossible to access these dimensions, although interestingly they would have access to our universe.<br /><br />It must again be kept in mind that string theory is not a proven concept, it is simply a theory and there have been many ideas of dimensions throughout the 20th century. An example of this can be found right back in Albert Einstein's day, where he believed strongly in a five dimensional universe (4 spatial) but was unable to prove it even theoretically.<br />There have been many unproved theories that have predicted varying numbers of

 

[doubletruncation]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's not clear to me that you could necessarily find a short-cut in a higher dimension even if you could access it. Imagine we lived in a truly flat universe, and at each point you can also move in 6 other directions besides the normal 3 spatial ones, but they are curled up real tight so you can only move a very tiny amount in those directions before you come back to your original place. As long as c doesn't effectively change as you move in one of those 6 other directions, I don't see where the short cut comes in. I can imagine cases where the distance along the 3 normal spatial directions is shorter as you move along the 6 other directions (or equivalently, c gets larger) - but I don't see why it should necessarily be that way, I can just as easily imagine that shortest possible distances in our 3 normal spatial directions are achieved when we are at our current position in the 6 other dimensions. Does anyone know if there's any reason to expect travel in higher dimensions to provide a shortcut? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[nova61]

Hi, I am new to the board, and an aspiring writer. I was wondering, just wnat would happen to the atmosphere of a planet, if a wormhole was opened within its atmophere.<br />Sincerely,<br />Shane

 

[qso1]

Welcome to SDC, good question but one I'm afraid nobody could possibly know the answer to.<br /><br />Wormholes are theoretical at this point and any answer would be theoretical. So as a writer, this leaves you some leeway in writing you own ideas on what might happen. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[etavaunt]

Hi Shane welcome to the fold.<br /><br />Actually, if you are asking this from the gounds of it being a question about elementary particles created by the presence of the wormhole "End", I don't have a clue, no one would know because the wormhole is just theory as yet.<br /><br />However, if it was opened to even a different spot on the earth, and was an actual opening, air would flow down it furiously!.<br /><br />No two places in the earths atmosphere have got the same air pressure at any one time.and at sealevel it is 14 pounds or so to the square inch. If one end opened into a place by sea level, and the other high in the atmosphere, a terrific wind would start to blow down it.<br />If you had a "hole" as big say, as a bathtub, you would form a terrific wind at both ends, condensation (Rain) and maybe even a cyclone might form.<br />Then you have to consider the different electrical potentials on either side of the "hole". If one end had a high voltage relative to the other,( the extreme would be if one opened into a thoundercloud I guess, but all air has an electric charge in it by its nature, and no two places wuld be the same ), CURRENT would flow down the connection between the two different potentials, wouldn't it.<br /><br />If it was two different worlds, maybe the current would be the potential difference between the two worlds' atmospheres?.<br /><br />*BIIZZZZZZZZZZITTTTT*<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />

 

[nova61]

thanks for reply. It has given me all the informartion I now need.<br />Shane

 

[brigandier]

I'll be looking forward to a book about this in the near future! <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" />