Would someone finally consider this as a viable option?

[forspace2005]

Can any of you make intelligent comments to this:<br /><br />Http://www.gctspace.com<br /><br />Everyone outright rejects it. Why not allow for the possibility that it can be real. And don't give me the 'let me see proof' line. They need money to finish research. But if in fact this tec works it is wort every penny.

 

[najab]

It violates too many laws of Physics to be taken seriously.<br /><br />They haven't even explained the basic principle by which it is supposed to work.

 

[spacefire]

this is very old technology: <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>http://asteroid-invasion.blogspot.com</p><p>http://www.solvengineer.com/asteroid-invasion.html </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[forspace2005]

It violates no law of physics. And they do explain the technology. Take the time to read and understand the website. And the interview with the founder. Laid out in explicit detail.<br /><br />However they also admit that it may not work. But because of the sheer impactions is should be tried. My personal feeling is that it does work. The question is why hasn't anyone taken the time to understand what they propose, and God forbid help them?

 

[tap_sa]

Why don't you give a sort summary how it's supposed to work? I vaguely remember this site but can't watch the site now because required plugin is missing.<br /><br />As a general law I consider any breakthru physics BS if they are promoted by fancy website seeking funding instead of some boring and incomprehensible peer review pdf.

 

[forspace2005]

Their site is 'fancy' because the founder wanted to illustrate what the technology could look like if it was possible. You only saw 'fancy' images. I saw incredible level of detail. Something thought out to the smallest components.<br /><br />The technology is really simple in fact.<br /><br />They propose that gravity could be the result of atomic and subatomic particles interacting with the so called Zero Point Field (Sakharov originated this idea). And yes, the ZPF has been proven to exists (Casimir effect - and more info, peer reviewed paper for you at this website Http://www.calphsyics.org). They propose the utilization of Bose Einstein condensates as the medium by which controlled interactions could be achieved with the ZPF creating an artificial gravitational filed in the process. The larger the energy density of the BEC the larger the field is.<br /><br />In essence very simple. They only need something like 1.5 million to finish research and build a laboratory scale demonstrator which will either show that the proposal has merit or that it does not.<br />

 

[j05h]

not everyone discounts the idea of antigravity or more specifically "gravity shielding". In the 90s there was a Russian researcher who got a bunch of press with 16% mass reductions in objects suspended above spinning (gigahertz) superconducting discs. Named Podkletnov, he claimed the effect (grav shielding) was measurable several stories above the superconducter. <br /><br />http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/6.03/antigravity.html<br /><br />As for GCT, they've got some pretty pictures, but it doesn't seem like they have anything working. Maybe he isn't a good writer. The flying saucer he has developed as a 3D model looks a lot like the design in for a nuclear powered cyclotron-lifted saucer in Pawlicki's book "How to build a flying saucer. And other proposals in speculative engineering." Watch out for the radiation near those superconducters, bub. The other part of GCT, so-called Zero-Point Energy, is even less compelling. Yes, their is some kind of quantum energy flux everywhere. No, nobody has shown any method to tap it. <br /><br />Podkletnov and the people that have been building "Lifters" are very open with what they are doing. They have demonstrated some results and detailed how they structure the experiments. Others follow suit, shoot it down or uphold the results - both camps have had yes and no results with grav shielding and "lifters". Some have pointed to a hypothesis of electrogravity. This GCT guy has pretty 3D pics and no results, it strikes me as eyecandy.<br /><br />Let me see the proof. 8) If electrogravity is real, the results will be obvious. If they need money, they (he) should have early results to show. <br /><br />Whoever invests in the guys that DO make the first flying saucer/gravcraft are going to be very rich afterward. <br /><br />Josh <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div align="center"><em>We need a first generation of pioneers.</em><br /></div> </div>

 

[najab]

I'll read the website again, but the last time I went there it was a bunch of scientific sounding gobbligook.

 

[najab]

><i>They propose the utilization of Bose Einstein condensates as the medium by which...</i><p>Do you know what a BEC is?</p>

 

[forspace2005]

Don't just read the site. Contact them. Ask questions. Show interest. If what they propose could work it is worth it. If not you will exchange emails with some intelligent people. Nothing to loose. I don't want to plug this company but the proposal is too big to ignore any longer. I am surprise no one has had the guts to do something about this.<br /><br />Someone above said that whoever invests in this, and if it works, they will be extremely rich. No .... Sherlock. Yet no one is talking the time to learn more. I have no money unfortunately. Just a big space aficionado. If I had I would've invested a long time ago. Compared to the amount that gets blown on all kinds of wacky ideas this is a jackpot.<br />

 

[tap_sa]

Btw is this the same thing that was discussed earlier this year, the 'inventors' were some young power duo of web designer and marketroid, no physics background whatsoever (except maybe highschool and Startrek).

 

[najab]

I ask again, do you know what a BEC is?

 

[forspace2005]

Yes I do. BEC is a gaseous super state formed by atoms - all existing in the same quantum state. That is the point. A many atom system existing in the same quantum state. In essence when in a BEC compound you manipulate one atoms all others will behave the same way. It also allows for extremely large energy densities. These particles are known a Bosons.Two electrons, Cooper pairs, can also be considered a Bosons. Or Photons. The point is extreme energy densities are possible.

 

[najab]

At what temperature/pressure conditions have BEC's been produced? What's the largest amount of BEC produced?

 

[forspace2005]

The founder is a business man and not a web designer. He raised over a million dollars for this project, and another million for a spin off company. Just recently sold his equity in the spin off and returned to GCT in hopes of self financing research completion. He has never been a web designer. Get your facts straight or if you don't know than ask - contact them directly. Better yet read the interview that is on their site.

 

[nacnud]

I'm afraid its just some interesting pictures and technobable.

 

[john_316]

I think for obvious reasons if there was any credibility to that websight the DOD would already have contacted and enlisted their services. DARPA would have also run a parallel project in the univesity labs of some schools.<br /><br />So I think the saucer is cute but totally bogus.....<br /><br />Come on here I am trying to sell my XJR-45 saucers these guys are cutting into my business....<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />

 

[forspace2005]

Traditionally BECs require cryogenic temperatures. But if you read the site you can learn that they are proposing a new type of superconductor that functions at room temperature. Have you heard of the pseudo gap phenomena? Macro regions of usually cuprite based superconductors remain in the superconducting state even at room temperature for some time.<br /><br />These people are proposing that it may be possible to manufacture BECs at room temperature. That is the secret of their attempt at creating artificial gravitational fields. BECs at room temperature. I believe it works.

 

[tap_sa]

Ah, found it. Running out of VC, trying to astroturf some more?

 

[tap_sa]

BEC and superconductor are two different things. <br /><br />edit: If big honking loop of superconductor is enough for antigrav then why should it work in room temp? There are superconductors that work at liquid nitrogen temps, surely there is enough liquid nitrogen around to cool some stargate size test hulahoop.

 

[forspace2005]

Not any longer.Labs are working on showing that superconductors can also exhibit BEC like properties. Just one example. This article specifically talks about linking the BEC state and superconductivity.<br /><br />http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/01/28/matter.new.reut/<br /><br />But there are countless others.

 

[nacnud]

<font color="yellow">surely there is enough liquid nitrogen around to cool some stargate size test hulahoop.<br /><br /><font color="white">Yep, the large hadron collider is probably the lagest lump of super conductors around, but you will have to wait untill 2007 before it is switched on.<br /><br /></font></font>

 

[tap_sa]

Oh no, they should be warned, switching that thing on might rip the whole CERN of the ground and whisk it away into instellar voyages. Hmm. A remake of Space: 1999!

 

[thechemist]

<i>But if you read the site you can learn that they are proposing a new type of superconductor that functions at room temperature.</i><br /><br />RT superconductors would revolutionize earth by themselves. If they need this technology to make BECs, it's gonna be a long wait... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[nacnud]

Cool, I'm moving to Geneva <img src="/images/icons/cool.gif" />