Americans are not on Mars, never went to the moon too

[telfrow]

In the last couple of months, I've been called a pseudoskeptic, a psudeoscientist, a political scientist, a data weasel, a data dawg, one of those “nasty kids” in Seti, a “spewer of nonsense and psudeoscience,” an “ilk,” and now, I’m apparently an intellectual “hit man” for NASA.<br /><br />I've <b>got</b> to redo my resume. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[frodo1008]

OK, Bigbrain I am going to treat with you just as if you were a normal child instead of the 10 year old troll your posts make you out to be.<br /><br />You say:<br /><br />"You say that your probes can go on Mars thanks to a software that drives them looking at the stars. <br /><br />But far away from here 500 million kilometres perhaps the firmament is different. <br /><br />What do you think about this reasoning?"<br /><br />It is not just your reasoning that is faulty here, it is also your lack of both elementary astronomical and mathematical knowledge.<br /><br />Absolutely NO!! There is no change in the firmament at 500 million miles. Heck, there is no change from within the 6 billion mile diameter of the solar system!!<br /><br />Probes are guided to their destinations within the solar system by using the STARS not the planets or any other objects from within the solar system itself. The distances to the stars are measured in light-years. A light-year is simply the distance light (traveling at some 186,000 miles each second) travels in one standard solar year. This is figured out by:<br /><br />186,000 X 60 seconds X 60 minutes X 24 hours X 365 days = approx. 6 trillion miles!! Remember this is only one light-year. The stars that are used for celestial navigation are dozens or even hundreds of light-years away. Therefore, ANY motion that these stars have relative to one another or relative to the solar system (and therefore relative to the spacecraft itself) is simply non-existent over the distances and times used to travel within the solar system. <br /><br />So your premise is completely incorrect as are all of the others you have so far put forth!!!!!<br /><br />I took this information down to as elementary a level as possible in order to deal with such a "Great" intellect as yourself!!<br /><br />

 

[yevaud]

Eek! The thread that wouldn't die is still here!<br /><br />The ineptly named Big Brain tries...he runs down the field towards the goal and...<br /><br />WHAM!<br /><br />Sacked at the 42 yard-line. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[skyeagle409]

I've got to redo my resume<br /><br />telfrow,<br /><br />I must admit that a lot of mud flies on these threads at times. Reminds me of the 'Three Stooges' and their pie-throwing antics. <br /><br />Perhaps, bigbrain is just bored with life and has nothing else to do but to rile feathers.

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Reminds me of the 'Three Stooges' and their pie-throwing antics. </font><br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[petepan]

Yes, 'The Pale Blue Dot" pic. When i read the Sagan quote, it really made me stop and think, how insignificant we are in such a vast cosmos.<br /><br />I agree with the rest of your post.<br />cheers

 

[lunatio_gordin]

that's an awesome resume <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /><br />heh, check out the flt earth website's message:<br />Unfortunately, this website seems to have fallen off the edge of the earth, along with its maintainer. It will be back, eventually. Or not. But probably. Soonish. We think.<br /><br />i ha a massive rant i wrote about the moon conspiracy theorists. I was so mad when i was reading that stuff, i think half of what i said was untrue <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <br />this is the first time i've ever heard anyone say a probe was faked, though.

 

[bigbrain]

My question was sarcastic. You do not understand my sense of humour.<br /><br />You wrote:<br />"Probes are guided to their destinations within the solar system by using the STARS not the planets or any other objects from within the solar system itself. The distances to the stars are measured in light-years. A light-year is simply the distance light (traveling at some 186,000 miles each second) travels in one standard solar year. This is figured out by: <br /><br />186,000 X 60 seconds X 60 minutes X 24 hours X 365 days = approx. 6 trillion miles!! Remember this is only one light-year. The stars that are used for celestial navigation are dozens or even hundreds of light-years away. Therefore, ANY motion that these stars have relative to one another or relative to the solar system (and therefore relative to the spacecraft itself) is simply non-existent over the distances and times used to travel within the solar system". <br /><br />JUST HERE I WANTED TO ARRIVE.<br /><br /> You wrote: "ANY motion that these stars have relative to one another or relative to the solar system (and therefore relative to the spacecraft itself) is simply non-existent".<br /><br />You cut off your nose to spite your face.<br /><br />YOUR PROBES CAN NOT BASE ON STARS TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.<br /><br />Hey, go to:<br />http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html<br />Image AS11-44-6547<br /><br />Do you not notice that the moon suface is made with jam?<br />And where are all the stars you talked about?<br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

bigbrain,<br /><br />Are you saying that it is impossible to navigate using the stars? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[frodo1008]

Anybody who knows anything about celestial mechanics knowS that you travel through space by orienting yourself with the stars. Could we please have a moderator stop this insanity!!!!!

 

[bigbrain]

You wrote:<br />"Anybody who knows anything about celestial mechanics knowS that you travel through space by orienting yourself with the stars. Could we please have a moderator stop this insanity!!!!!"<br /><br />Hey, you are talking with a big brain, not with an idiot of Nasa who thinks that landing on Mars is easy like for the science fiction. <br /><br />Nasa is making joke of gullible people.<br /><br />You can not travel through space by orienting yourself with the stars. <br /><br />I will explain later, now I have to do some works.<br />

 

[bigbrain]

You can orient yourself with the stars here on the earth. We that live in boreal hemisphere can orientate with pole-star that indicates the North. Looking at pole-star, our right hand indicates the East, our left hand indicates the West and behind us there is the South.<br /><br />Those who live in southern hemisphere are not so lucky because they can not see pole-star.<br /><br />Right? Right as Mars is not a potato.<br /><br />Well, in 3D space things are completely different. <br /><br />Suppose you take as reference in your bedroom the 8 vertex of the room. <br />If you move up and down going straight forward like a probe you can notice that the 8 vertex have moved and with that powerful software made in Nasa you can know where you are because you have gone nearer to a vertex and more distant from another.<br /><br />In the solar system, if you cover 500 million kilometres (those covered by going to Mars) you have not gone nearer a star and more distant from another because they are many light years distant.<br />It is like if you had moved 1/1.000.000.000… millimetre in your bedroom.<br /><br />Your eyes and your Nasa software can not notice any difference.<br /><br />It would be as you had remained stationary in your position.<br /><br />Nasa software is a crap software.<br />

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">It would be as you had remained stationary in your position.</font><br /><br />Exactly.<br /><br />And how about answering those questions, bigbrain? Since we're "friends" and all...<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[frodo1008]

I will no longer add to or even read this thread! If others would do the same then this insanity could come to an end!!!

 

[yevaud]

Sorry, but with relatively simple equipment, I can resolve objects within a fraction of an arc-second. Your example is null and void. <br /><br />Oh, and we can see Mars currently using the naked eye. How is that possible, if we can't even locate the planet? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">If others would do the same then this insanity could come to an end!!!</font><br /><br />It would be insanity if anyone - including bigbrain - took it the least bit seriously. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[skyeagle409]

bigbrain---Those who live in southern hemisphere are not so lucky because they can not see pole-star. <br /><br />bigbrain,<br /><br />Well then, those in the southern hemisphere can simply buy a plane ticket to a city in the northern hemisphere and that should take care of the problem.<br /><br />bigbrain---Right? Right as Mars is not a potato. <br /><br />Sky---How can you be so sure?! Have you been to Mars to confirm that it is not a potato? Whose figures are you relying on that says Mars is not a potato?<br /><br />bigbrain---Suppose you take as reference in your bedroom the 8 vertex of the room. <br />If you move up and down going straight forward like a probe you can notice that the 8 vertex have moved and with that powerful software made in Nasa you can know where you are because you have gone nearer to a vertex and more distant from another. <br /><br />Sky---My tax dollars at work??? How long has NASA's software been used to monitor sexual activity in the bedroom? I am going to write my congressman!<br /><br />bigbrain---In the solar system, if you cover 500 million kilometres (those covered by going to Mars) you have not gone nearer a star and more distant from another because they are many light years distant. <br /><br />Sky---What difference does that make? I am going to Mars, not to the stars.<br /><br />bigbrain---Your eyes and your Nasa software can not notice any difference. <br /><br />Sky---Of course it can! Besides, IBM spelled its name using individual atoms and thanks to NASA, we have come a long way technological speaking as far as measuring is concerned.<br /><br />bigbrain---Nasa software is a crap software. <br /><br />Sky---I am very sure that NASA's software is still good, however, its time for your software to be overhauled, since it has gone amuck!<br /><br />

 

[Leovinus]

I can use the stars as immovable objects for orientation for engine burns and use the sun and planets as moving objects with known positions for determining location. With both, I navigate anywhere in the solar system. And the computers on the probes don't have to fill whole rooms -- we have ground-based computers and can program mid-course corrections to the robotic probes: "point this way, burn at this time, for this duration" etc. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[skyeagle409]

bigbrain---Hey, you are talking with a big brain,... <br /><br />bigbrain,<br /><br />I realize that it is where the problem lies but let's continue anyway.<br /><br />bigbrain---Nasa is making joke of gullible people. You can not travel through space by orienting yourself with the stars. <br /><br />Sky---Why not? After all, stars have been used by mariners in the past to go from "A" to "B" and back again.<br />

 

[bigbrain]

<br />"I can use the stars as immovable objects for orientation for engine burns and use the sun and planets as moving objects with known positions for determining location. With both, I navigate anywhere in the solar system. And the computers on the probes don't have to fill whole rooms -- we have ground-based computers and can program mid-course corrections to the robotic probes: "point this way, burn at this time, for this duration" etc. "<br /><br />Perhaps you are in the pay of Nasa because you say the same idiot things.

 

[bigbrain]

Read again carefully what i have said because you have understood nothing.

 

[telfrow]

Hey Leo...we're <b>both</b> on the NASA payroll now...<br />welcome to the club! <br /><br />And sky...aw heck...<b>all</b> of us! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[skyeagle409]

bigbrain---Perhaps you are in the pay of Nasa because you say the same idiot things. <br /><br /><br />Sky---Didn't you claim that stars could not be used for navigational purposes? How idiotic can such a statement be when stars were used for navigational purposes for centuries?<br /><br /> On another note, I did have a relative who worked at JPL, in Pasadena.

 

[skyeagle409]

bigbrain---Read again carefully what i have said because you have understood nothing. <br /><br />Sky---Yes I have! The message you conveyed to us is that you are just here for the purpose of having fun.

 

[yevaud]

When you present us with a box full of air, it's hard to say much. Except, "there's nothing here." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>