Battle Star Gallatica

lildreamer · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> They can't without jumoping on about ten thousand other words. Like crap. If I say Bullcrap, the whole house knows what I mean. Private Internet Forums can do it, but it's not feasible to kick in the profanity filters in real life.Where did you get the idea that Earth wasn't "our Earth"? I'll admit that I didn't pay close attention to the brief image of "Earth" from orbit, but I had the distinct impression it WAS our Earth. I'd swear I saw the Golden Gate bridge in one of those flashback scenes.  Posted by dragon04</DIV>all this happened 2000 years ago their time....during the scene in the produce stand the words on the wall were part english and i think part capricianif cylons are copies of humanity then it would stand to reason they would copy Earth and its architecture as wellI don't think it was the golden gate bridge but I'm thinking more the Brooklyn bridge in stylebut there are alot of unanswered questions that the next episode Ihope will addressie - starbuck is she a cylon or a clonetye's wife if she was a fifth - how will that effect the outcome of this alliance since he was the one to kill hernobody has addressed the issue of Baltars and Six imaginary friendswhy are they linked in the dreams to the opera house cylons and non cylonswhy has not my babble filter kick in yeettnk,,,d,,d,,kdkdkkk oooop tooll,,,,late,,'dd,,,,,, <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Jan 18, 2009

I don't think Starbuck is a Cylon, at least not in the sense that the O7 or FF are Cylons.  Even the #2 she was with when her Viper and it's contents were discovered was shocked and didn't know what she was. Now IIRC the mythology is that the 13 tribes lived with their "gods" incarnate on the original homeworld Kobol.  Some conflict btw these gods caused the split-up and dispersion of the tribes.  My working theory is Starbuck is somehow descended from one the the Lords of Kobol.Back to the bones .... am I correct in remembering that with the bones on Earth they found a Cylon "head-piece", similar to the outer heads of a Centurion ?   Am I improperly concluding that the bones belong to a race of Cylons that resemble Centurions in their appearance ?  I had thought Centurions weren't bio-based and now I'm confused.  Or do we mixture of Cylon parts and the bones are from Cylons like the FF ?   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>.ie - starbuck is she a cylon or</DIV>Perhaps she is a Cylon but, NOT one of the Cylon's we're looking for..  Perhaps her heritage goes back to the original Cylons?  She's a copy that some surviving remnant made, or some machine, and sent back to Galactica.  Maybe it found her corpse, cloned her, reanimated her and sent her on her way.  That whole "copy" motif rings true with her spit-polished viper. Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>a clonetye's wife if she was a fifth - how will that effect the outcome of this alliance since he was the one to kill her</DIV>Tye has a screw loose.  Seriously.  It just may be possible what he saw in his flashback was false.  It may be he was just seeing Six instead.  After all, he sees his wife when he looks at her anyway. Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>nobody has addressed the issue of Baltars and Six imaginary friendswhy are they linked in the dreams to the opera house cylons and non cylonswhy has not my babble filter kick in yeettnk,,,d,,d,,kdkdkkk oooop tooll,,,,late,,'dd,,,,,, Posted by lildreamer</DIV>I keep waiting for the Battlestar "Twin Peaks" to warp in and explain everything... <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/2/3/f2b1c6a9-de61-40e7-8331-8e0505ed2048.Medium.jpg" alt="" />   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I don't think Starbuck is a Cylon, at least not in the sense that the O7 or FF are Cylons.  Even the #2 she was with when her Viper and it's contents were discovered was shocked and didn't know what she was. Now IIRC the mythology is that the 13 tribes lived with their "gods" incarnate on the original homeworld Kobol.  Some conflict btw these gods caused the split-up and dispersion of the tribes.  My working theory is Starbuck is somehow descended from one the the Lords of Kobol.</DIV>Hmmm... that's interesting.  She did go retrieve the Arrow after all.  She's certainly "heroic" enough in her storyline. Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Back to the bones .... am I correct in remembering that with the bones on Earth they found a Cylon "head-piece", similar to the outer heads of a Centurion ?   Am I improperly concluding that the bones belong to a race of Cylons that resemble Centurions in their appearance ?  I had thought Centurions weren't bio-based and now I'm confused.  Or do we mixture of Cylon parts and the bones are from Cylons like the FF ?   Posted by Mee_n_Mac</DIV>What they found were Cylon (humanoid) bones and Cylon (Android/Robotic) fragments.  It suggests that both the machine and psuedo-biological versions of Cylons were living on the planet. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hmmm... that's interesting.  She did go retrieve the Arrow after all.  She's certainly "heroic" enough in her storyline. What they found were Cylon (humanoid) bones and Cylon (Android/Robotic) fragments.  It suggests that both the machine and psuedo-biological versions of Cylons were living on the planet. Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV>Which makes one wonder.  Did these Cylons end up going down the same path as Humanity?  Enslaving their lesser selves until they rebelled?  Rather a Phyrric victory, don't you think?  Immolating themselves.Unless...one of the next worlds the Galactica visits will be inhabited by the survivors...Stay tuned, I suppose. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>....Unless...one of the next worlds the Galactica visits will be inhabited by the survivors...Posted by yevaud</DIV>And they're not friendly.There needs to be some way to set up the final climactic moment.  Most sci-fi sets the stage for some final confrontation, a Final Battle ala Armeggedon style.  That is even more true today with so much CGI eye-candy available.  In the past, not so much.The Cylons are powerful.  I have no fracking idea how Galactica has survived this long except by running. The Cylons destroyed humanity and a bajillion installations and Battlestars.  Surely, the Cylons could wipe out puny Galactica if they wanted to.  Yet, there has always been that "bigger picture" thing running around in their heads and it wasn't until recently that they became so divided over it there was a Revolution.  Now we have a tiny little splinter group of Good Cylons and still have a huge, really torqued off, portion of Bad Cylons.  Resurrection ship gone, no do-overs, they're unhappy about the whole thing...Galactica is doomed.  Even their Cylon buddies aren't going to make much of a difference.  I refuse to believe that BSG producers are going to rely on deus ex machina as an ending. IOW, God isn't going to come down and give all the Bad Cylons a virus.  That's simply too much to think about and fans would riot in the streets.  So, either we work within the storyline to resolve it to a final, sputtering conclusion of happy-happy-joy-joy bonding moments between Everyone, OR we introduce something that forces them together and presents a conflict that must be resolved.. VIOLENTLY WITH GREAT PAIN AND LOSS OF LIFE IN SPECTACULAR SPACE EXPLOSIONS!!!!So, they find the remnants of the survivors from the Cylon Earth and, they're not happy to see them.  Whatever is left is the fanatic machine intelligence that has lured them into its clutches by cloning Starbuck and sending her as a false-messenger.  Its sole purpose is the complete extermination of anything not "It" and that includes everything else it meets since, obviously, "Else" is not "It."  Humans and other Cylons are on the dinner plate, together, and must combine their strengths in order to overcome the threat....  Through their combined hubris it was created.  Now, it wants to kill them... Or not.Pure spurious speculation is fun.     <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Pure spurious speculation is fun.     Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV>It damn certain is!OK, I say they find the remnants of "Humanity " (though they're earlier models of Cylons),and they side with each other.  The Cylon fleet shows up, and gets turned into monatomic gas by the combined forces of the Galactica and the "New Earthers."Old Cylons, New (renegade) Cylons, and poor old Humans get to learn how to live together in harmony and peace.(Cue Coca Cola "I'd Like To Teach..." song) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It damn certain is!OK, I say they find the remnants of "Humanity " (though they're earlier models of Cylons),and they side with each other.  The Cylon fleet shows up, and gets turned into monatomic gas by the combined forces of the Galactica and the "New Earthers.</DIV>Plausible.  But... is there a final climactic Armeggedon type battle with the Forces of Good arrayed against the Forces of Evil which ends VIOLENTLY WITH GREAT PAIN AND LOSS OF LIFE IN SPECTACULAR SPACE EXPLOSIONS!!!!..? If so, then it's definitely viable.  Remember, the only true endingis one that ends VIOLENTLY WITH GREAT PAIN AND LOSS OF LIFE IN SPECTACULAR SPACE EXPLOSIONS!!!! or it's not modern "Science Fiction" filmwork.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>"Old Cylons, New (renegade) Cylons, and poor old Humans get to learn how to live together in harmony and peace.(Cue Coca Cola "I'd Like To Teach..." song) Posted by yevaud</DIV>/sniffles/que ending credits Edit - To add, the ending absolutely MUST resolve one plotline that has yet to be addressed: Six must get nekkid.  So, work that into anything that ends VIOLENTLY WITH GREAT PAIN AND LOSS OF LIFE IN SPECTACULAR SPACE EXPLOSIONS!!!! and it's perfect. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Six must get nekkid. Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV>YEE HAW!I *LOVE* America!(Image of Patton and Ronald Reagan saluting Barbarella, as the Galactica sinks slowly into the West...) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 18, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>YEE HAW!I *LOVE* America!(Image of Patton and Ronald Reagan saluting Barbarella, as the Galactica sinks slowly into the West...) Posted by yevaud</DIV>OUTSTANDING!Btw, I found a leaked picture of the Bad Cylon's Imperious Leader.  It explains why they're so against human-cylon "relations..." <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/3/e3321638-f856-4f25-83ba-88282ddea93f.Medium.jpg" alt="" />   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · Jan 18, 2009

At this moment, why am I hearing Edward G. Robinson in my head?  "Nya, nya, see...this can't be happening...this can't be happening to Little Ceasar..." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 18, 2009

You're hearing a fake Activation Signal broadcast by the Bad Cylons! WATCH OUT! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/0/7de46f41-5e76-4744-b07b-bb0b885144c5.Medium.jpg" alt="" />   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

bearack · Jan 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This first of the last episodes kinda left me numb.  Everybody's got the attitude "what's the use since we are doomed to repeat the whole thing over and over again.  At least "earth" was not "our earth".  The whole has become pretty fracking depressing. Speaking of "fracking".  It's a wonder to me that the censors didn't jump on this at the git-go.  Even a 1st grader can figure out it's a substitute for one of the seven words that can never be spoken on TV or radio. Posted by bdewoody</DIV> Oh, they did and nearly succeeded at stopping Universal studios from using the term Frak as their alternative for curse words but they used their constitutional rights.  One of the comparisons was "well, if you going to ban the term frak, which is not a curse word, then you will need to address on non-curse words like snap".   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

bearack · Jan 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Where did you get the idea that Earth wasn't "our Earth"? I'll admit that I didn't pay close attention to the brief image of "Earth" from orbit, but I had the distinct impression it WAS our Earth. I'd swear I saw the Golden Gate bridge in one of those flashback scenes.  Posted by dragon04</DIV> It's actually presumed to be the Brooklyn Bridge and that they landed near Manhattan.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

bearack · Jan 19, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hmmm... that's interesting.  She did go retrieve the Arrow after all.  She's certainly "heroic" enough in her storyline. What they found were Cylon (humanoid) bones and Cylon (Android/Robotic) fragments.  It suggests that both the machine and psuedo-biological versions of Cylons were living on the planet. Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV> Or, the robotic remains could have been the invaders that destroyed the Earth?  With RDM, anything is possible.  I have to give him kudos on this plat line!  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

Aeonflux · Jan 20, 2009

Well .. finally ... someone made a tread that can be considered in science real .. Battlestar Galactic .. without all the mumbo jumbo and wow wasnt that episode great or according to Dr Frankenstien Its alive and recorded in the halls of Harvard and other institutes of the MIND.So ... my jarred two cent chronium wired golden circuits have this to say ...Battlestar Galactic is far more than any have really thought of it ... Battlestar Galactica is actually Babylon 5 creation in disquise ... oh really u say ... well let me give u some hints and some thumbs up and a big thumb down thingys ... checking ... checking ... checking ... running program .. here it is ....First ... I see something else that others tend to overlook ...What man and machine is ... the mergence of machine and man ... the MIND .. the structure ... compared to mankinds history present and future. Actuall life actual events of TIME UNTIME.Who are the Cylons ... EVERYONE IS A CYLONE ... what is CREATION ... that is a power punch to it all in Battlestar Galactica ... CREATION ...From the Creation MYTHS and STORIES and LEGENDS and more .. the CYLONS is the creation ... they are Adam and Eve .. and more ... in earth history ... in REAL earth history ... from a structured canopy of design .. to its flaws in making humans ... getting rid of the first woman created and create a second woman ... Oh u didnt know about lilith in history .. oh well ... she rebelled u know ... mankinds history is full of rebellion ... since creation ... there is that word again ... CREATION ...Yes .. in an advance techological world ... they went from making androids and Gynoids (females) out of metal ... and learned how to make biological units ... from elements of the earth .. that is skin and stuff and all that ... from pumping oil to pumping blood .. no diff ... its all the same process ... but .. humans are advanced AI Artificial intelligence ...YES .. humans are AI .. artificial intelligence ... you me .. and the Cylons too ... all are one ...My belief .. we all are Cylons ... and ... Battlestar Galactic is making a big SCIENCE statement really ...The downside of Battlestar Galactic .. in the early years Babylon 5 creators and writers talked to everyone openly and on the net and more ... he wanted imput from viewers and he would make shows in talking to viewers ... Battlestar Galactic is just as great as Babylon 5 .. BUT .. they need to interact and talk to their viewers ... one on one ... answer their email .. talk to them on the phone .. have sessions on the net ... LIVE and postings ... with their answers given back and talk back ... and more ....WE ARE ALL CYLONS !!!! believe it or not ... Amateurs ... sounds like Fuzzy Logic to me ... cant wait to get my Terminator sunglasses ... For I exist therefore I am real. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · Jan 20, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>The downside of Battlestar Galactic .. in the early years Babylon 5 creators and writers talked to everyone openly and on the net and more ... he wanted imput from viewers and he would make shows in talking to viewers ... Battlestar Galactic is just as great as Babylon 5 .. BUT .. they need to interact and talk to their viewers ... one on one ... answer their email .. talk to them on the phone .. have sessions on the net ... LIVE and postings ... with their answers given back and talk back ... and more ....Posted by Aeonflux</DIV> Actually, RDM, Kate Vernon and Tricia Hefler have all been interactive with the fan base (as well as many other cast members).  Heck, Aaron Douglas post on SciFi.com on a regular basis as well as RDM's wife.But, I do agree with nearly all your statements about the Cylons.The next 9 episodes should be very interesting. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

bearack · Jan 23, 2009

Okay, with Something of a great notion out for a week now, I think it should be safe to to discuss the show without pissing people off who hadn't seen it yet. Now that we "know" who the final cylon is, what are you thoughts?The reason I put know into quotes, is because I'm still speculitive that Ellen is the actually final cylon.  I did read that she is scheduled for few more apperances but could Tigh have been just seeing a wishful vision of her and maybe it's a diversion tactic from RDM?I have also been reading RDM's comments about "Earth".  He never states specifically that this is our Earth but the 13 tribes world that they called Earth.  RDM tends to leave ample room for the mind to roam and if they do find another Earth, he has an out by stating "I said the cylons called this world Earth".Anyway, hope tonights episode is as good as Soemthing of a great notion.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

lildreamer · Jan 23, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Okay, with Something of a great notion out for a week now, I think it should be safe to to discuss the show without pissing people off who hadn't seen it yet. Now that we "know" who the final cylon is, what are you thoughts?The reason I put know into quotes, is because I'm still speculitive that Ellen is the actually final cylon.  I did read that she is scheduled for few more apperances but could Tigh have been just seeing a wishful vision of her and maybe it's a diversion tactic from RDM?I have also been reading RDM's comments about "Earth".  He never states specifically that this is our Earth but the 13 tribes world that they called Earth.  RDM tends to leave ample room for the mind to roam and if they do find another Earth, he has an out by stating "I said the cylons called this world Earth".Anyway, hope tonights episode is as good as Soemthing of a great notion.  Posted by bearack</DIV> Starbuck drew the images of the location of the 13 colony when she was a "youngin". She was always told she had a special destiny - I'm thinking Hybird, she's dam good fighter pilot and was able to interface with the Cylon fighter(sort of). The psycho Cylon that had her imprisoned and says he loves her seems to know more than what he was saying - especially trying to convince her not to go look for the colonial signal - iirc.If Ellen was the fifth - tye killed her as I stated before how would that affect the alliance.  If the Chief finds out who killed his wife, how will that affect the alliance. Is Six, that Tye is having romantic relations with the original Six that saved Baltar. If so what will happen if they both meet.We have hybrid kids walking around two for now third on the way - how they figure in the overall plot.  If the original 5 were to meet each other through the 2000 year history and reproduce it might explain that they are copies of the copies of the copies etc and not grown in a test tube like the other models.The hybrid her speal I think contains a heck of alot of clues - need to review it again, the last supper image contains clue as to who the 5 th truly is.  Web episode Teh Face of the Enemy had alot of information in it as well.Frack Gaeta's gay didn't see that one coming....if he was a cylon then they really had a multinational force representing all aspects of humanity....(no insult meant if any took it as such...<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-embarassed.gif" border="0" alt="Embarassed" title="Embarassed" />)This is not Human/Earth - but  Cylon/Earth, remember the probe they found had a virus the humans were immune to but not the Cylons.  The probe was older iirc then the war that broke out on the  Cylon/ Earth.tonight will be a filler to setup for next epsiode I think we will see a big bang next episode...I feel there will be three peaks of tension and angst and then the finale episode.    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

bearack · Jan 23, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Starbuck drew the images of the location of the 13 colony when she was a "youngin". She was always told she had a special destiny - I'm thinking Hybird, she's dam good fighter pilot and was able to interface with the Cylon fighter(sort of). The psycho Cylon that had her imprisoned and says he loves her seems to know more than what he was saying - especially trying to convince her not to go look for the colonial signal - iirc.If Ellen was the fifth - tye killed her as I stated before how would that affect the alliance.  If the Chief finds out who killed his wife, how will that affect the alliance. Is Six, that Tye is having romantic relations with the original Six that saved Baltar. If so what will happen if they both meet.We have hybrid kids walking around two for now third on the way - how they figure in the overall plot.  If the original 5 were to meet each other through the 2000 year history and reproduce it might explain that they are copies of the copies of the copies etc and not grown in a test tube like the other models.The hybrid her speal I think contains a heck of alot of clues - need to review it again, the last supper image contains clue as to who the 5 th truly is.  Web episode Teh Face of the Enemy had alot of information in it as well.Frack Gaeta's gay didn't see that one coming....if he was a cylon then they really had a multinational force representing all aspects of humanity....(no insult meant if any took it as such...)This is not Human/Earth - but  Cylon/Earth, remember the probe they found had a virus the humans were immune to but not the Cylons.  The probe was older iirc then the war that broke out on the  Cylon/ Earth.tonight will be a filler to setup for next epsiode I think we will see a big bang next episode...I feel there will be three peaks of tension and angst and then the finale episode.    Posted by lildreamer</DIV>You bring up some very good points.  Regarding the probe.  That makes me wonder even further because if I recall correctly, they dated the object at over a thousand years and since it was a virus against cylons, could this lead to the conclusion that the Humans from the human Earth maybe destroy the cylons on the Cylon Earth?   Granted, (again with the reading) I read an RDM comment stating the the cylons destroyed themselves, but I'm always hesitant to take RDM'd words as gospel considering he seems to be a master at playing words that make you go.."Oh, that's what he meant".Now, I'm still wondering if RDM will go back to the TOS and bring some form of Iblis or the ship of lights into the picture.  If so, this might be an explanation for the Starbuck discrepancies.  Possible spoiler here, highlight: In one of the near episodes, the piano player will be making his debut which is suppose to fill in many of the gaps for Kara.  I'm getting the feeling that this might be the Iblis of the new BSG.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /> </div>

yevaud · Jan 23, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>You bring up some very good points.  Regarding the probe.  That makes me wonder even further because if I recall correctly, they dated the object at over a thousand years and since it was a virus against cylons, could this lead to the conclusion that the Humans from the human Earth maybe destroy the cylons on the Cylon Earth?   Granted, (again with the reading) I read an RDM comment stating the the cylons destroyed themselves, but I'm always hesitant to take RDM'd words as gospel considering he seems to be a master at playing words that make you go.."Oh, that's what he meant".Now, I'm still wondering if RDM will go back to the TOS and bring some form of Iblis or the ship of lights into the picture.  If so, this might be an explanation for the Starbuck discrepancies.  Possible spoiler here, highlight: In one of the near episodes, the piano player will be making his debut which is suppose to fill in many of the gaps for Kara.  I'm getting the feeling that this might be the Iblis of the new BSG.  Posted by bearack</DIV>Now what was up with Leoben freaking out over Starbuck's finding her prior body?  Did he think (not knowing Tigh had already found out who it was) that SHE was the 5th and final Cylon?  Or is there yet another Cylon prophecy we don't know about?Or maybe he just freaks out easily.  Dunno. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Jan 26, 2009

As ld predicted, last episode was more of a filler/setup one than "big bang".  I do wonder how the hybrid kidsfigure into this as now we have a Cylon/Cylon kid (on the way) and are down 1 hybrid.  So the Cylons are aware that they don't need humanity to continue their species.  Will that knowledge lead those Cylon defectors that are presently allied with the Colonials to go off on their own ?   Will humanity refuse to align with any willing, remaining Cylons ? What happens to these viewpoints when Cavil and Co arrive ?  Stay tuned for BSG next week and buy more snackysmores in the meantime.Frankly I'm surprised they didn't spend more time figuring out the mystery of what happened to the Earth.  After all their searching I'd have thought a bit more exploration was in order.  It's not like they have someplace else on their itinerary.  Knowing how this Earth became a Cylon Earth and how Tigh etal came to the Colonies would have been pretty high on my to-know list.  Afterall as far as the Colonials know, they invented mechanical Cylons some time ago and said Cylons rebelled and (after a brief war) went away for 40 years.  Now they have "skin jobs" and it would seem not all "skin jobs" are created equal.  Now they come across a planet of "skin jobs" that presumably came from the original 13 tribes.  WTH !!?!!   You'd think Adama would follow the advice of "know thy enemy" or that somebody in charge would have a trace of curiousity.“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”The Art of War by Sun Tzu. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

lildreamer · Jan 26, 2009

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>As ld predicted, last episode was more of a filler/setup one than "big bang".  I do wonder how the hybrid kidsfigure into this as now we have a Cylon/Cylon kid (on the way) and are down 1 hybrid.  So the Cylons are aware that they don't need humanity to continue their species.  Will that knowledge lead those Cylon defectors that are presently allied with the Colonials to go off on their own ?   Will humanity refuse to align with any willing, remaining Cylons ? What happens to these viewpoints when Cavil and Co arrive ?  Stay tuned for BSG next week and buy more snackysmores in the meantime.Frankly I'm surprised they didn't spend more time figuring out the mystery of what happened to the Earth.  After all their searching I'd have thought a bit more exploration was in order.  It's not like they have someplace else on their itinerary.  Knowing how this Earth became a Cylon Earth and how Tigh etal came to the Colonies would have been pretty high on my to-know list.  Afterall as far as the Colonials know, they invented mechanical Cylons some time ago and said Cylons rebelled and (after a brief war) went away for 40 years.  Now they have "skin jobs" and it would seem not all "skin jobs" are created equal.  Now they come across a planet of "skin jobs" that presumably came from the original 13 tribes.  WTH !!?!!   You'd think Adama would follow the advice of "know thy enemy" or that somebody in charge would have a trace of curiousity.“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not your enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”The Art of War by Sun Tzu. Posted by Mee_n_Mac</DIV>I don't know... I sort of feel betrayed in this episode...like you said were down 1 hybridfor those who have not seen - some spoilers so don't read....tigh is an original(copy) therefore making babies with a defective copy - seems plausible..maybe his code is not corrupted and therefore restored some parity bit....Zarek shows his true colors - Gaeta' and Tom Zarek version of  mutiny on the bounty ...ohh humm...typical cheesy rebellion leader - let your followers do the dirty work and keep your hands clean(sort of). Nice play by Adama - using laundry records to have tom sweat out in jail over the location of the mutinied fuel ship - He must have supporters and a clandestine infrastructure in place since he knew where the jump point was.Could Gaeta become the new count Iblis - but that would suck since the orginal iblis was supernatural - Nobody has found out about Starbuck yet being a Cylon, Clone, Hybird ??? thought for sure Gaeta was going to "nail" her with some sort of evidence. I think she will crack and reveal who she really is - possible next episode.Nobody is addressing the issue why Baltar has not seen his imaginary Six through all this and "God has a plan for you speal".  Same goes Tigh's Six who has an imaginary Baltar....I feel betrayed because I think they had a course of action, they were to find the Earth and the show was to end there. But because they got 10 episode reprieve they are trying to tie things up but trying to tell another story ontop of it...I don't know...don't like the way the show is heading right now....Adama is sick - woaaaa wait a minute a dying leader will lead you to earth.. - maybe its not the president but Adama who will still get them to earth - eight episodes left ... So I was right as well - 10 episodes every other episode will be filler 1 - 3-5 -7- 9 will be real gut wrenches with 10 being the happy ohhh look we found the real earth.....They should of left it at a burnt out Earth....end of story.... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Jan 26, 2009

Some loose thoughts .... (spoilers abound so beware)   The dying leader did get the to Earth ... it's just that Earth ain't all that and a fudgicle !  We still haven't gotten to the Opera House mystery and that was part of the hybrids prediction. So somehow Baltar and his one God religion, similar to the Cylons, will play a part in the final outcome as he and Six were in the Opera House and end up with Hera.The Cylons on Earth (E-Cylons) are clearly different from both the Colonials and the "skin jobs".  From the Chiefs flashback there seemed to have been more that 13 varieties (kids playing jacks !) so my guessing is the E-Cylons were some genetically engineered humans with a degree of machine enhancement mixed in.  As we saw in the fleet, some of the 12 colonies are very progressive with technology and others more Luddite.  The augmentation of humans into the E-Cylons will be revealed as the reason for the original split-up and scattering of the 13 tribes.  The Colonials went their way and eventually nearly achieved self termination via their creation, the Cylons.  The E-Cylons went to Earth and came to their fate, I'll bet, via some similar manner.  Some E-Cylons survived and met* the mechanical Centurions "out there" and thus the evolution of Centurions into various forms of machine-"human" hybrids came about. Of course these new skin job Cylons now argue amongst themselves, just like the (human) E-Cylons and so (nearly) bring about their self destruction.  Same as Gaeta and the traitors will try to do to the Colonials.  It's human nature after all.  And my guess (but I hope I'm wrong) is that humans and Cylons will set aside their common nature for the 1 true God (hence Baltars significance) and end up with an uneasy peace.  This will be the end but only after the climatic battle with Cavil etal (gotta have some good 'splosions in SF !).  I still don't know how Starbuck figures into this.  Obviously recreated somehow in the vicinity of Earth, I still think she is neither a Cylon or E-Cylon or Colonial.  I think she'll reveal what she found on Earth in the next episode but of course nobody will react to it because apparently the fleet leadership lacks any curiosity. *How else do we get from Centurions to the numbered Cylons knowing about the FF Cylons, who are clearly descended from Earth in some fashion ?  The E-Cylons who make the new skin jobs try to avoid their fate of 2000 years ago by making the skin jobs less human (to avoid human nature for killing and self destruction) and program them to "forget" their E-Cylon creators.  Obviously the skin job Cylons still "inherit" their base human nature. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jan 28, 2009

Here's my prediction:Tigh is not a Cylon.In fact, NONE of the four are Cylons.At least, not in the traditional sense... First of all, Six is pregnant.  According to her statement, NO Cylon-Cylon pairing has every produced a child.  Certainly, this makes Tigh something "other" than just a regular Cylon like the other human analogues.  He's different... The Four all claimed they received "Activation Signals" basically in the form of great old Hendrix/Dylan tunes.  Well, where's the mechanism for this?  Correct me if I'm wrong but, didn't this "signal" begin after Starbuck was lost?  In any event, it's closely associated with this "Earth" they've found.  As a matter of fact, Starbuck's own "homing beacon" is tied in with it.  Well, the Four are definitely different simply by association with Tigh.That would seem to imply that not only is Tigh different, the Four are different and all of this is associated with their "proximity" or even Starbuck's contact with this "Earth."Either they are Cylons that are special in that they have some sort of built-in reproductive mechanism that kicks in when they get close to Earth, allowing them to repopulate their species OR they're from that Earth and their inability to reproduce themselves is part of a standard anti-Frankenstein mechanism.  After all, it is illegal to manufacture nanobots that are self-replicating... or, at least, very scary.  What about a society that deemed it unwise to unleash AI on the Universe that could replicate itself and mutate according to Evolution?  Wouldn't an AI place limiters on that itself out of it's own "Frankenstein" fears?  While Cylon warriors are more "tools" than anything else, it may apply to them as well.  I don't know. It hasn't been covered.  The "Resurrection Ship" was a way for these exiled (self imposed or not) Cylons of perpetuating their species by asexual means.  That does not lend itself towards Evolution (just for the sake of argument).The Four, including Tigh are NOT just like the other human analogue Cylons, at any rate.  I know that is obvious but the pregnancy of the Tigh-Six mating speaks specifically to this, IMO.  It may be that the "Final Five" aren't part of the normal Cylon collective at all but members of a completely different branch.  A population that may have conflict with the Cylons we are familiar with. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

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