Battle Star Gallatica

[vidargander]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Episode 11 was designed to be the last episode if the writers strike continued but since they settled, they were able to complete the remaining 9 episodes.&nbsp; Last to be 3 hours long (potentially).&nbsp; <br />Posted by bearack</DIV><br /><br />Now i've eventually seen the first half of the final season too.<br />The ending sceen looks a bit like the beginning of 'The planet of the apes' to me.<br />anyhow, - still its a big challange to write that story into a climax that pass through censors without getting the threads cut. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p>Well, with BSG's return right around the corner, I thought I would reinvigorate this thread again for all those BSG fans.</p><p>The final episodes look extremely promising and the anticipation of finally figuring out the final cylon is going to be exhilarating.</p><p>&nbsp;I suppose to get things kicked off, what are your predictions to whom the final cylon is and why?</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[lildreamer]

Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Well, with BSG's return right around the corner, I thought I would reinvigorate this thread again for all those BSG fans.The final episodes look extremely promising and the anticipation of finally figuring out the final cylon is going to be exhilarating.&nbsp;I suppose to get things kicked off, what are your predictions to whom the final cylon is and why?&nbsp; <br />Posted by bearack</DIV><br /><br />BSG of the past - former Apollo - Richard Hatch is the 5th cylon - thats my prediction. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>BSG of the past - former Apollo - Richard Hatch is the 5th cylon - thats my prediction. <br /> Posted by lildreamer</DIV></p><p>I've thought about that as well, but I also think they have also eliminated him but Moore has been pretty brilliant in misdirecting the story line.&nbsp;</p><p>I think there is a large connection with the rebellion of New Caprica&nbsp; which all the now known cylons where key parts of the rebellion.&nbsp; That leads me to believe that Gaeta, which fed the rebellion key information as potential high candidate for the final cylon.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p>Granted, many believe that the final cylon is actually on Earth, based on the comment from Lucy Lawless's comments (MmmmMmmm, hotty) about the final cylon not being in the fleet at the time, I'm still reluctant to take much into those words considering what she said to Roslin.</p><p>Granted, I need to review some web episodes to get me back up to date after the dang year hiatus.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[lildreamer]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I've thought about that as well, but I also think they have also eliminated him but Moore has been pretty brilliant in misdirecting the story line.&nbsp;I think there is a large connection with the rebellion of New Caprica&nbsp; which all the now known cylons where key parts of the rebellion.&nbsp; That leads me to believe that Gaeta, which fed the rebellion key information as potential high candidate for the final cylon.&nbsp;&nbsp;Granted, many believe that the final cylon is actually on Earth, based on the comment from Lucy Lawless's comments (MmmmMmmm, hotty) about the final cylon not being in the fleet at the time, I'm still reluctant to take much into those words considering what she said to Roslin.Granted, I need to review some web episodes to get me back up to date after the dang year hiatus.&nbsp; <br />Posted by bearack</DIV></p><p>I thought I saw an commercial for the new epsiodes - where I heard, I didn't realise your the five cylon but at that moment I turned and the commercial was finished. I'll see if there is a youtube version of it.....</p><p>edit:</p><p>found this promo seems interesting...</p><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PjFSlmtm14&NR=1</p><p>in one of the youtube promos I saw that other lawyer being dragged around by security - he seems to play an important part - could he be the five naw I still think Richard H. is the one....</p><p>&nbsp;found the promo</p><p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pI6BRnc6lw&feature=related</p><p>but still no more infor other than sal saying "your the fifth"....FRAK......</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I thought I saw an commercial for the new epsiodes - where I heard, I didn't realise your the five cylon but at that moment I turned and the commercial was finished. I'll see if there is a youtube version of it..... <br /> Posted by lildreamer</DIV></p><p>Yeah, I remember hearing that.&nbsp; Spent well over an hour trying to determine who was saying it.&nbsp; My guesstimate is that it's Tye.</p><p>If you have time, these 5 web episodes are pretty interesting and kind of give some credence to my Gaeta theory.</p><p>http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=870861&eid=874063</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[vidargander]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yeah, I remember hearing that.&nbsp; Spent well over an hour trying to determine who was saying it.&nbsp; My guesstimate is that it's Tye.If you have time, these 5 web episodes are pretty interesting and kind of give some credence to my Gaeta theory.http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=870861&eid=874063&nbsp; <br />Posted by bearack</DIV></p><p>There is definitely something murky about that Felix Gaeta http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Gaeta . He is now limping around like that lawyer Romo Lampkin http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Romo_Lampkin used to when that cat was around.</p><p>We haven&rsquo;t heard mentioning of the Iblis http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Iblis in this remake of the series, even though it was a main character in the original series. Now I&rsquo;m thinking, - is the 5th Cylon and the Iblis the same? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[lildreamer]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>There is definitely something murky about that Felix Gaeta http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Gaeta . He is now limping around like that lawyer Romo Lampkin http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Romo_Lampkin used to when that cat was around.We haven&rsquo;t heard mentioning of the Iblis http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Iblis in this remake of the series, even though it was a main character in the original series. Now I&rsquo;m thinking, - is the 5th Cylon and the Iblis the same? <br />Posted by vidargander</DIV><br /><br />interesting thought - whats with all the visions....</p><p>Baltar sees his cool collective Six</p><p>Six sees a cool collective Baltar </p><p>Lawyer gets to see the Cat</p><p>Tye keeps seeing his dead wife </p><p>President gets to see some sort of priestess...</p><p>what are the common elements in all this...and yet we still don't see a count IBLIS, or the Devil so to speak...</p><p>When they start up in January the first episode out of the gate will be a big revelation setting the tone for the last season...still say Richard Hatch is Five </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>interesting thought - whats with all the visions....Baltar sees his cool collective SixSix sees a cool collective Baltar Lawyer gets to see the CatTye keeps seeing his dead wife President gets to see some sort of priestess...what are the common elements in all this...and yet we still don't see a count IBLIS, or the Devil so to speak...When they start up in January the first episode out of the gate will be a big revelation setting the tone for the last season...still say Richard Hatch is Five <br />Posted by lildreamer</DIV><br /><br />The first episode (I bet) will be very intense while the few after ward will be bland and drab.&nbsp; Many have discussed Oblis possible connection to this series, but I'm thinking that Moore will not go that far to connect this series with the original.</p><p>I think the very first episode will eliminate a few potential as the final cylon while making you scratch your head with many more new revelations.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p>SCOOP!&nbsp; The Final Cylon Revealed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40</p><p></p><p>I'm looking forward to BSG airing again.&nbsp; But, I have to say I'm a bit darn tired of how few episodes the whole series seems to be to me.&nbsp; Yeah, they're expensive.&nbsp; But, so was Babylon5 and Star Trek:TNG.&nbsp; Yet, they managed to crank out a decent number of episodes and didn't end up taking forever to produce them.&nbsp; Perfection is fine but.. come on!&nbsp; FEED ME! </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

Someone remind me why I should care who the 5'th Cylon is.&nbsp; Now that we have "good" and "bad" Cylons, it wouldn't seem to matter so much unless you believe that even those co-operating with the humans can't override some programming to betray them.&nbsp; I'm still going with the idea that the Hybrid speaks the truth and so to find out the identity&nbsp;of #5, you need to decipher them true meaning of "comes from the home the the 13'th". <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[lildreamer]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>SCOOP!&nbsp; The Final Cylon Revealed! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40I'm looking forward to BSG airing again.&nbsp; But, I have to say I'm a bit darn tired of how few episodes the whole series seems to be to me.&nbsp; Yeah, they're expensive.&nbsp; But, so was Babylon5 and Star Trek:TNG.&nbsp; Yet, they managed to crank out a decent number of episodes and didn't end up taking forever to produce them.&nbsp; Perfection is fine but.. come on!&nbsp; FEED ME! <br />Posted by a_lost_packet_</DIV><br /><br />Dammm... the evil Dr Hamsterville....should of known (slapping forhead)....</p><p><img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-laughing.gif" border="0" alt="Laughing" title="Laughing" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Mee_n_Mac</p><p>the 5th will explain why and how things got outa hand with humans and cylons - for all we know the 5th orchestrated the extinction of human kind from day 1.&nbsp; I can still see a twist here and this is still not Earth but the actual 13 colony one step out from where Earth is...</p><p>13 colony birth place of the 12 but Earth is the birthplace of the 13 Colony - 1st colony of mankind's expansion. That would account why certain land features look the same - </p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

Looks like the SF channel is running the last 3 episodes just prior to this Fridays premier. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Dammm... the evil Dr Hamsterville....should of known (slapping forhead)....&nbsp;Mee_n_Macthe 5th will explain why and how things got outa hand with humans and cylons - for all we know the 5th orchestrated the extinction of human kind from day 1.&nbsp; I can still see a twist here and this is still not Earth but the actual 13 colony one step out from where Earth is...13 colony birth place of the 12 but Earth is the birthplace of the 13 Colony - 1st colony of mankind's expansion. That would account why certain land features look the same - &nbsp; <br />Posted by lildreamer</DIV><br /><br />It's also been rumored (and I think substantiated) that Earth (that their on currently) is actually the Cylon home world.&nbsp; Unless this is just another diversion, because I don't remember these comments at the end for 4.10.</p><p>http://www.thetvremote.com/is-earth-the-cylons-home-planet/</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's also been rumored (and I think substantiated) that Earth (that their on currently) is actually the Cylon home world.&nbsp; Unless this is just another diversion, because I don't remember these comments at the end for 4.10.http://www.thetvremote.com/is-earth-the-cylons-home-planet/ <br /> Posted by bearack</DIV></p><p>Whoa!&nbsp; Nice scoop there if that was really a slip on his part! </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[yevaud]

<p>Here's one an astute fan on I09 mentioned yesterday:</p><p>"One of my biggest questions about Battlestar Galactica has always been the numbering of the Cylons. The seven original models all have numbers. Cavil, Leoben, D'Anna, Simon and Doral are 1-5, respectively. Number Six is, of course, 6. Then there's Sharon Valeri, aka Sharon Agathon, aka Boomer, aka Athena. She's number 8. </p><p>Either Ronald D. Moore doesn't know what comes after six, <strong>or this has been a huge clue slapping us in the face for years</strong>. I had just assumed that, for some reason, one of the final five was the missing 7. Then came this revelation that the final five don't have model numbers, which either means there is no 7 or Moore is playing mind games with his fans."</p><p>Yeah.&nbsp; Who the Frack is the Cylon's model seven?! </p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[lildreamer]

<p>ok so for those who have not seen the episode do not read....<br />but for those who did</p><p>wow...</p><p><font color="#ffffff">what a dud of a first opening....was expecting a bit more....</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">We find a burned out Starbuck on Earth which means our&nbsp; Starbuck that is alive is what a clone, cylon hybrid, what?</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">tye's wife is the fifth and he killed her?</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">home world been nuked 2000 years ago - and all the bones indicate cylon heritage</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">13 colony is actually a cylon colony?</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">still no conclusion as to why Baltar gets to see six in his head and vice a versa</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">????????????<br /></font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<p>W/o giving too much away ... how the frack do they determine the origin of the bones found on Earth ?</p><p>That and what ld said above.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>W/o giving too much away ... how the frack do they determine the origin of the bones found on Earth ?That and what ld said above. <br /> </p><p>Posted by <em>Mee_n_Mac</em></DIV></p><p>Remember Baltar's test for synthetic molecules...? </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p>I think the episode was brilliant.&nbsp; It answered some questions while causing several others.</p><p>I just read an RDM interveiw about the episode which was quite compelling.</p><p>Some keys to keep in mind below:</p><p>**Hightlight**</p><p><font color="#ffffff">The Dee suicide has some serious significance.&nbsp; When she was on the planet, she picked up some kids jumping jacks.&nbsp; Just before she commits suicide, she reflects on her youth.&nbsp; Could she also have had a vision on the planet like the other 4?&nbsp; </font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">In the interview I mentioned, one of the directors gives part of the script of a flash back with Tyrol, simular to the one in this episode but more detailed.&nbsp; It talks about the first explosion and Tyrol's face is littered with glass.&nbsp; A women and man approach him that are badly burnt asking for assistance but Tyrol is out of it.&nbsp; He can no longer look at them when he turns to see a women standing in a door way with black hair.&nbsp; </font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">&nbsp;The script says "Is it Sharron? No." so who is this women that Tyrol knows.</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Also in the interview, they talk about Kara's discovery.&nbsp; He talks about her grasping with the thought of herself being a cylon.&nbsp; His comments lead me to believe that maybe, just maybe Kara could actually be a cylon.&nbsp; Maybe there is 13 cylons?&nbsp; Maybe she is a cylon god?</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">Here is a link to the interview for those who are interested.</font></p><p><font color="#ffffff">http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html</font></p><p>**Hightlight** </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[bearack]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Remember Baltar's test for synthetic molecules...? <br />Posted by yevaud</DIV><br /><br />Yeah, that's a loop hole that will need to be addressed since the FC was tested and there were no indication that Baltar knew that "they" where cylons.&nbsp; I guess there is something to be said about the very ending of the show with out giving to much up about the difference between the FF and the the O7.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><br /><img id="06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53" src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/14/06322a8d-f18d-4ab1-8ea7-150275a4cb53.Large.jpg" alt="blog post photo" /></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yeah, that's a loop hole that will need to be addressed since the FC was tested and there were no indication that Baltar knew that "they" where cylons.&nbsp; I guess there is something to be said about the very ending of the show with out giving to much up about the difference between the FF and the the O7.&nbsp; <br /> </p><p>Posted by <em>bearack</em></DIV></p><p>What gets me is how, well, Human, the Cylons have been becoming since the beginning.&nbsp; Yhere's nothing we have as a character flaw that they've haven't demonstrated in a-plenty.&nbsp; Since it's been aired, I guess I won't consider the following a "spoiler."</p><p>"Earth."&nbsp; What they've discovered is that the Cylons apparently made precisely the same decisions as Humanity in the 12 Colonies, leading to death and destruction.&nbsp; They are no different.&nbsp; Remember, was it Leoben?, talking about how their parents have to die for the children to come into their own?&nbsp; The children are as flawed as their parents.&nbsp; There<em>'s</em> no "coming into their own," there's only waste. </p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<p>Maybe they're all Cylons?&nbsp; Or, in a neat twist, perhaps it's the original Cylons that created them (humans) to begin with?&nbsp; </p><p>Remember, it's a never-ending story.&nbsp; It could be a neat twist that it's not the "exact" conflict that occurs like a rewinded movie but simply a succession of Frankenstein loops - One Frankenstein is victorious and creates its own which then overcomes its masters and ends up creating its own Frankensteins, ad nauseum.&nbsp; </p><p>Their task, should they choose, is to "break the cycle" by merging with their own Frankensteins and choosing peace instead of conflict.&nbsp; They must recognize their "children" as being the same as themselves.&nbsp; It's also sort of demigod conflict - It's easy to create something lesser than you are but, it takes something "special" to create your equal.</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[bdewoody]

<p><font size="2">This first of the last episodes kinda left me numb.&nbsp; Everybody's got the attitude "what's the use since we are doomed to repeat the whole thing over and over again.&nbsp; At least "earth" was not "our earth".&nbsp; The whole has become pretty fracking depressing.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><font size="2">Speaking of "fracking".&nbsp; It's a wonder to me that the censors didn't jump on this at the git-go.&nbsp; Even a 1st grader can figure out it's a substitute for one of the seven words that can never be spoken on TV or radio.</font></p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em><font size="2">Bob DeWoody</font></em> </div>

 

[dragon04]

<p><BR/>Replying to:<BR/><DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Speaking of "fracking".&nbsp; It's a wonder to me that the censors didn't jump on this at the git-go.&nbsp; Even a 1st grader can figure out it's a substitute for one of the seven words that can never be spoken on TV or radio. <br /> Posted by bdewoody</DIV></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>They can't without jumoping on about ten thousand other words. Like crap. If I say Bullcrap, the whole house knows what I mean. Private Internet Forums can do it, but it's not feasible to kick in the profanity filters in real life.</p><p>Where did you get the idea that Earth wasn't "our Earth"? I'll admit that I didn't pay close attention to the brief image of "Earth" from orbit, but I had the distinct impression it WAS our Earth. I'd swear I saw the Golden Gate bridge in one of those flashback scenes.</p><p>&nbsp;</p> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>"2012.. Year of the Dragon!! Get on the Dragon Wagon!".</em> </div>