Blue Flowers of Mars

[extrasense]

Do you accept claims of quantum computing (QUAC)?<br /><br />ES<br />

 

[odysseus145]

I do accept the claims of Quantum Computing, because the idea has appeared in published works written by researchers who have spent a significant portion of their time on this concept. The only person I have found that tries to disprove quantum computing is the same person who sees blue flowers and statues of sheep on Mars. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[extrasense]

Sure, and in both cases I am right.<br /><br />QUAC is a quintessential pseudoscience. The people behind it do not have a slightest idea of the principle of casuality, and of quantum theory.<br />The fact that their nonsense get published and acclaimed, clearly prove that science has been hijacked by the pseudoscience.<br /><br />ES

 

[extrasense]

Rumors have it, from 1 bit to secret computer. All of it is crap, and a crap of crap.<br /><br />And the articles are reviewed! <br />Who you would rather believe, me or your lying pseudoscience? <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />ES<br />

 

[extrasense]

--- Good, reliable respectable journals have agreed, meaning those in the field who are the most likely to know about the field, is that QC/QUAC/ is progressing and that basic quantum computing, has been done.--- <br /><br />So you do not believe your eyes when I show you Martian flowers, but believe the QUAC claims by the well connected crooks.<br /><br />Funny, is not it?<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[thechemist]

<font color="yellow">extrasense - "Who you would rather believe, me or your lying pseudoscience?" </font><br /><br />This is a false dilemma. <b>You</b> are the lying pseudoscience <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />extrasense, are you playing some kind of game ? It was funny for a few posts, but not anymore.<br /><br />You can't call garbagge the whole scientific literature in a science forum ! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[extrasense]

--- "Who you would rather believe, me or your lying pseudoscience?" This is a false dilemma. You are the lying pseudoscience -- <br /><br />I wonder if you have any first hand knowlege of quantum theory. <br /><br />

 

[dgm1]

do you spell that n-u-t-j-o-b? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[dub_]

You sicken me, liar. Leave us alone.

 

[bobvanx]

I think my brain uses quantum entanglement with a multitude of other "selfs" existing across numerous branes to create my illusion of mind.

 

[extrasense]

--- I think my brain uses quantum entanglement with a multitude of other "selfs" existing across numerous branes to create my illusion of mind. ---<br /><br />You should publish it in the Nature. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />

 

[thechemist]

<font color="yellow">I wonder if you have any first hand knowlege of quantum theory. </font><br /><br />What do you mean by first hand knowledge ? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[extrasense]

---ES: I wonder if you have any first hand knowlege of quantum theory. <br /><br />---Chemist: What do you mean by first hand knowledge ?<br /><br />I mean that a person studied and understand the theory itself, as descibed for physicists by Dirack or any other quantum theory authority.<br /><br />That is, opposed to reading the pop literature about it.<br /><br />Here is an another pseudo for you, Shor's algorithm of large integer factoring. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />ES<br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[thechemist]

---ES: I wonder if you have any first hand knowlege of quantum theory.<br /><br />---Chemist: What do you mean by first hand knowledge ?<br /><br />---ES: I mean that a person studied and understand the theory itself, as descibed for physicists by Dirack or any other quantum theory authority.<br /><br />Which is what you have done ? What courses did you take, undergraduate and graduate ?? (before you opt out) <br />Have you done any research on Quantum theory ?<br /><br />Do you really believe that the quantum theory is something so simple that you just study one book and you understand the whole theory ?<br /><br />Do you claim that you studied and understood all quantum theory ?<br />Just saying so you admit you really have no idea, my friend.<br /><br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <em>I feel better than James Brown.</em> </div>

 

[extrasense]

--- Have you done any research on Quantum theory ? <br /><br />The quantum theory itself have been created by big guys. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> I have used it in my research. I have done research on the quantum theory interpretation. To get to the PhD program in Physics, one has to know quantum theory and quantum field theory, at least it was the case when I did it.<br /><br />ES<br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[arit]

"We can almost always around the net, tell who is a specialist and who the BS artists are. The specialists walk the walk, with specific knowledge. Those are often pretty easy to tell. The others, well, be sure that the truth will find them out! "<br /><br /><br />Excellent post. I agree! I also think, that given enough time, you can really get to know if people know what they are talking about or not. We all know each other for a while now...<br /><br />And regarding the karate remark: Excellent post as well! Applies to many areas in life.<br /><br /><br />Regards<br /><br />arit<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999;font-family:Verdana"><span style="font-size:6pt;color:#009999"><font face="Times New Roman"><strong><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'">"We will either find a way, or make one!" - Hannibal<br /> </span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#009999;font-family:'CourierNew'"><br /></span></strong></p></span></strong></strong></font></span></span> </div>

 

[extrasense]

-- These flowers seem to be too beautiful, for anybody to think they are rocks! <br />http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mycommon/2p111-2P136234439EFF3600P2401L5M1-hairy-berry-1-color2.jpg ---<br /><br />Update: the size of the larger flower is about 10 cm<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />

 

[dub_]

Okay, Mr. Scientist, what pollenates this flowers? Do you see any insects or small animals fluttering across the surface of Mars? How would these "flowers" survive in their environment? What would their source of energy be? What "proof" do you have other than small pictures of the Martian surface? What good scientist would state this conclusively when presented with contradictory evidence and alternative situations which account for all the evidence (no matter how small it is) that you possess? The answer is, not a scientist at all. You can say "I think it <i>may</i> be flowers," but when you give your conclusive tone you are giving yourself an air of authority you do not possess.

 

[extrasense]

The Sun light is the source of energy. The wind is the way that polin is being spread. The CO2 is avilable, as well as water, so the photo synthesis is possible.<br /><br />And, there is a lot of images of small worms, and of snakes, and of statues, that is being rejected by official pseudoscience. Which tells me, that "scientists" can not be trusted. One has to use his own mind.<br /><br />es<br />

 

[dub_]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>The Sun light is the source of energy. The wind is the way that polin is being spread. The CO2 is avilable, as well as water, so the photo synthesis is possible. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Those plants don't look like they use photosynthesis, and what water would they use? How efficient would it be to spread pollen during Martian sandstorms? Wouldn't it be really easy for all pollen to die in its freezing cold tundra-like, high-radiation , no-water, acidic environment? Why would flowers evolve twice, on two worlds? Flowers aren't the most efficient form of life on such a planet.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>And, there is a lot of images of small worms, and of snakes, and of statues, that is being rejected by official pseudoscience.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />The statues have been refuted. Snakes have no evolutionary background on Mars. I can understand different kinds of "worms" popping up on alien worlds, but I can assure you that no photograph from Mars shows this form of life. What are you going to say next? You see genetically-engineered coffee beans growing on Mars? Snakes and flowers are arbitrary life-forms. <br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Which tells me, that "scientists" can not be trusted. One has to use his own mind.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />No, you assume what you just said to be fact. Your reasoning logic is flawed.

 

[extrasense]

Your probllem is the same as of the pseudoscientists I am talking about. You directly contradict the data I have, one way or another. And due to that, you have zero credibility.<br />I have stereo images of worms and leaches from Mars.<br />Even if they are dead fossils, it contradicts your claims.<br /><br />"Statues were refuted" - is a lie. Again, a claim that proves that you have zero credibility.<br /><br />As to flowers, they are for everyone to see.<br /><br />The fact that you misrepresent your acid reflex scepticism as super wisdom, is laughable.<br /><br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br /><br /><br />

 

[dub_]

<p><hr />Your probllem is the same as of the pseudoscientists I am talking about. You directly contradict the data I have, one way or another. And due to that, you have zero credibility. <p><hr /><br /><br />Wrong. What I say does not contradict your data, but your conclusion. There's a big difference.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I have stereo images of worms and leaches from Mars. <br />Even if they are dead fossils, it contradicts your claims. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />What if they're natural geological phenomena, like those found on Earth? <br /><br />Explain to me how leaches would survive on the planet Mars, with no large mammals to leach off of. Oh wait. From your conclusion on these pictures, you're going to draw the fact that there <i>are</i> large animals on Mars right now? <br /><br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>"Statues were refuted" - is a lie. Again, a claim that proves that you have zero credibility. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Unfortunately, that claim proves that you have zero credibility.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>As to flowers, they are for everyone to see. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />They are as flowers as my computer is a flower.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>The fact that you misrepresent your acid reflex scepticism as super wisdom, is laughable.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />Acid reflex? You mean acid reflux? <br /><br />No, it's scientific scepticism. The fact that you claim to understand the method of thought, and then reject all counterclaims with what little evidence you have is laughable. <br /><br />Sir, I challenge you to a duel.</p></p>

 

[odysseus145]

I stopped laughing about ten pages ago. You would think that with 18 pages of discussion, extrasense has no more than a few posts worth of data. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[dub_]

It's new to me.

 

[extrasense]

----> I have stereo images of worms and leaches from Mars. <br /><br />=== />What if they're natural geological phenomena, like those found on Earth? <br /><br />Do you know of any geologically formed gamma shaped objects found on Earth? Your words are crooked, that is it!<br /><br />------------a-----------------a------------a<br />-------a--------a---------a--------- a-----<br />-------------------a a----------------------<br />--------------------aa----------------------<br />------------------aa--aa-------------------<br />-----------------aa-------aa---------------<br />---------------aaa--------aaa-------------<br />----------------aaa----aaaa--------------<br />-------------------aaaaa------------------<br />--------------------aaa--------------------<br /><br />e <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> s<br />