Phoenix surface mission

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hmm nothing on TV sadlyit's tomorrow.. they do something with phones todaySad I  wait for news about that white material that could be ice  Posted by efron_24</DIV> I'd imagine either the Phoenix conference has been delayed for a bit, or they will replay it in it's entirity later. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

I don't know if I screwed up or the schedule just got changed (either is possible), Phonix News Conference scheduled for 2PM EDT Wednesday June 4th. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

thor06 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks MW (and CW_II) !  That makes sense. Now if there's ice and not sand in the troughs it'll sure cause some excited head scratching.  Gotta love doing cutting edge exploration. Posted by mee_n_mac</DIV>This discussion is about the larger polygonal structure seen from orbit and Phoenix image, correct?http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/229952main_S_000EFF_CYL_SR10CA8_R888M1.jpghttp://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/images/2008/details/cut/PSP_008591_2485_cut_e.jpg  I was wondering about the "polygonal"/"hexagon" structure of the thruster blasts.  Why are these not round? APOD today <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-tongue-out.gif" border="0" alt="Tongue out" title="Tongue out" />http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/P.S. MW it is not you;    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> www.watchnasatv.com ONE PERCENT FOR NASA! </div>

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>I don't know if I screwed up or the schedule just got changed (either is possible), Phonix News Conference scheduled for 2PM EDT Wednesday June 4th. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Hi Wayne,I do not think that you have screwed up. It does look like the schedule has changed. I'm listening to the STS-124 Discovery / ISS coverage, as there is not really that much to watch right now.Need to check the next Phoenix NASA TV coverage against the STS 124 Discovery / ISS coverage.Anyway these colour images have just been released.Test dig area 'Knave of Hearts' in colour.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Test%20dig%20area%20in%20colour%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/1/9c03d626-9bd9-4019-81ba-761d095ce544.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Scoop with sample in colour.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Sample%20scoop%20with%20Martian%20soil%20in%20colour%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/1/fdd3c649-65bb-47cf-9127-8b23d4e37444.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> Those are very nice, Andrew. Are they raw or have you mucked with them (if so, not a bad thing at all!! )GLAST (according to spaceflightnow.com) has been delayed to NET (For those who might not know, NET is No Earlier Than) June 6th to resolve engineering issues.So hopefully it will be one primary subject per day. That's good so our heads won't explode!!WornOutWayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

efron_24 · Jun 2, 2008

Next news briefing - June 3 at 2pm Eastern Watch on &rsaquo;  NASA TVhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Next news briefing - June 3 at 2pm EasternWatch on &rsaquo;  NASA TVhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html  Posted by efron_24</DIV>The current NASA Site shows:During STS-124 the NASA TV Schedule is available at: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/mission_schedule.html. The programs listed below are changes to the regular Daily Program Schedule. All times are Eastern U.S. time. **ALL PROGRAMS MAY BE PRE-EMPTED OR RESCHEDULED WITHOUT ADVANCE NOTICE** 2008 June June 4, Wednesday 2 p.m. - Phoenix Mars Lander Mission Update - JPL/Tucson (Media Channel)From :http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/MM_NTV_Breaking.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Next news briefing - June 3 at 2pm EasternWatch on &rsaquo;  NASA TVhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html Posted by efron_24</DIV>AHA, I wasn't crazy. Copied and pasted from efron's mission_pages link at this moment...Mars Phoenix Lander Media Telecon Scheduled for June 2 05.30.08 -- NASA and the University of Arizona, Tucson, will hold a media teleconference at 11 a.m. PDT (2 p.m. EDT) on Monday, June 2, to report on the latest news from NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander mission. Whew! <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/content/scripts/tinymce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-foot-in-mouth.gif" border="0" alt="Foot in mouth" title="Foot in mouth" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

efron_24 · Jun 2, 2008

A larger viersion of the Martian soil imageThe white material in the right corner is special. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/press/rac_scoop_all_focus_color_v3.htmlthe text under the photo :"Scientists speculate that the white patches on the right side of the image could possibly be ice or salts that precipitated into the soil. Scientists also speculate that this white material is probably the same material seen in previous images from under the lander in which an upper surface of an ice table was observed. The color for this image was acquired by illuminating the RA scoop with a set of red, green, and blue light-emitting diodes (LEDs).  "  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Those are very nice, Andrew. Are they raw or have you mucked with them (if so, not a bad thing at all!! )GLAST (according to spaceflightnow.com) has been delayed to NET (For those who might not know, NET is No Earlier Than) June 6th to resolve engineering issues.So hopefully it will be one primary subject per day. That's good so our heads won't explode!!WornOutWayne Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Cheers Wayne,I've not done anything to them, as I think all processing done is good. What I've noticed is that the sample in the scoop looks redder than the SSI image. Perhaps the lighting is different  & the Robotic Arm Camera uses coloured LEDs for colour & the SSI uses filter wheels. Also the background to the scoop image is black. Seems strange. Surely the background would be brighter, but out of focus, but not jet black, unless its a short exposure against the shadow underneath Phoenix.I will investigate. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

Yeah, without the news conference the information comes out slower, and with less information available for intelligent interpretation. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

Mee_n_Mac · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>This discussion is about the larger polygonal structure seen from orbit and Phoenix image, correct?Posted by thor06</DIV>Correct.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> I was wondering about the "polygonal"/"hexagon" structure of the thruster blasts.  Why are these not round? Posted by thor06</DIV> I don't know but the artisitc renderings I've seen show the landing rockets paired so I'd guess their combined plume wouldn't be circular in cross section. Hexagonal ... I can't see how that would be so perhaps the subsurface is polygons within polygons in a kind of fractal fashion ??????????/ <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> -----------------------------------------------------Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, STOP ! </div>

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Yeah, without the news conference the information comes out slower, and with less information available for intelligent interpretation. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Hi Wayne,{Edited as what I said could be misinterpreted & was not my intentioned statement}.Earlier B & W image of same.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Scoop%20with%20soil%20RAC%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/10/073cbfbd-2c03-4168-aaa3-21a084e0957d.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Anyway, below Sol 7 Phoenix weather report.Max: -29 C / -20.2 F.Min: -83 C / -117.4 F.Conditions, Sunny with some dust haze.Interesting to see that the daytime max has risen 1 C, but the minimum has dropped 3 C.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Weather_report%20Sol%207%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/8/c40e484c-e49b-4007-b86f-cec9afefd100.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Correct.I don't know but the artisitc renderings I've seen show the landing rockets paired so I'd guess their combined plume wouldn't be circular in cross section. Hexagonal ... I can't see how that would be so perhaps the subsurface is polygons within polygons in a kind of fractal fashion ??????????/ Posted by mee_n_mac</DIV> If there are existing weaker zones ( i.e. toughs between polygons) it would make sense that these would be planes of increased resistance to the outgoing blast from the lander jets, it's scouring out existing boundaries.However, I haven't seen an unequivocal evidence for that yet. Only that the ice exposed terrain is lowe than where the lander pad is sitting. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Wayne,I think I've figured it out. The scoop image. I think that the areas directly lit by the Sun, have been air brushed out. Also the left part of the scoop looks like it has a join. It does not, but the sunlit portion has been removed & replaced by a piece of another image. That image has been hacked apart & reformed.No wonder why the woo woo element exists, NASA sometimes really does not help itself. They would have been better posting a colour image of what was actually taken. I think the shaded part & the sample itself has been left as imaged.Earlier B & W image of same.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Scoop%20with%20soil%20RAC%20Phoenix.htmlAnyway, below Sol 7 Phoenix weather report.Max: -29 C / -20.2 F.Min: -83 C / -117.4 F.Conditions, Sunny with some dust haze.Interesting to see that the daytime max has risen 1 C, but the minimum has dropped 3 C.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Weather_report%20Sol%207%20Phoenix.htmlAndrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> By air brushing, are you implying a deliberate attempt to distort the image?I don't believe that for a second. And if you think about how NASA handles images, I can't believe you are even suggesting that.There are many images in different levels of processing and  enhancement. NASA always provides the raw images as they are received, so you or I can process them as we see fit.Unlike many other orgs, that release only the processed data a year or two later....Wayne <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

thor06 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>If there are existing weaker zones ( i.e. toughs between polygons) it would make sense that these would be planes of increased resistance to the outgoing blast from the lander jets, it's scouring out existing boundaries.However, I haven't seen an unequivocal evidence for that yet. Only that the ice exposed terrain is lowe than where the lander pad is sitting. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> The patterns in nature are fascinating.  I can't help being reminded of this:http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/image-details.cfm?imageID=2552 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> www.watchnasatv.com ONE PERCENT FOR NASA! </div>

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

[QUOTE]By air brushing, are you implying a deliberate attempt to distort the image?I don't believe that for a second. And if you think about how NASA handles images, I can't believe you are even suggesting that.There are many images in different levels of processing and  enhancement. NASA always provides the raw images as they are recveived, so you or I can process them as we see fit.Unlike many other orgs, that release only the processed data a year or two later....Wayne Posted by MeteorWayne[/QUOTE]Hi Wayne, no, not at all. I think it is for artistic reasons, due to the contrast between the sunlit & shaded portions of the scoop, the sunlit Martian surface in the background & the deep red sample.I just think a short sentence in the caption saying either, sunlit portions airbrushed out owing to serious contrast issues, or sunlit portions cropped out & replaced with pre imaged portion of shaded scoop due to contrast issues, etc. No I do not think for a second NASA is attempting to mislead, it's just that I notice this sort of thing. Perhaps I am just being a bit too punchy, with respect to the fact I noticed it & the woo woos definately will.You know that I am very grateful & am well aware of the speediness of the image releases.It looks like the weather is changing a little bit at the Phoenix site, 1 degree up at maximum & three degrees down at minimum. Interesting a temperature range increase of 4 degrees. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Jun 2, 2008

Although there was nothing on NASA TV, there was this event on 2 june  that you can listen tohttp://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/release.php?ArticleID=1727 ( link is on the right, right under the photo )   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

derekmcd · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Although there was nothing on NASA TV, there was this event on 2 june  that you can listen tohttp://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/phoenix/release.php?ArticleID=1727( link is on the right, right under the photo )   Posted by efron_24</DIV>Thanks for that link. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Although there was nothing on NASA TV, there was this event on 2 june  that you can listen to Posted by efron_24</DIV>Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks for that link. Posted by derekmcd</DIV>Hi guys, I cannot get that link on the U of A site to work. Any guesses as to what the white stuff in the scoop was? Salt or Ice?Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

derekmcd · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi guys, I cannot get that link on the U of A site to work.Any guesses as to what the white stuff in the scoop was? Salt or Ice?Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV>magnesium sulfate or icy material... they're not sure yet.  They have high confidence it is not a reflection because the same whiteness is in the same locatation in respect to the dig site.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

efron_24 · Jun 2, 2008

It is over an hour (and I am still listening to it)They have some news about the temperatures near PhoenixIt is warmer closer to the survice of Mars and not a little bit. if an average person would stand on mars, the temp at his feet would be 20 degrees (celcius) warmer than at the level of his head.The temperatures at the evening drop rapitly and in a special way, as a wind starts to blow and it is mixing the warmer lower atmosphere with the cooler higher one.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

efron_24 · Jun 2, 2008

About the white material. It could be ice, or it might be a kind of salt.They hope to know soon, as the analising should soon start (with different temperatures). If I understood it correct, they can heat material up to 1000 degrees celcius. Which made ~me~ say holy cow !They plan to send a commando to the arm (camara), so that it will make a photo under the lander again when the sun is at it's lowest point above the horizon. The light and shadow should than be such that they can better see what it is.I think they said that a color photo with that camera was not possible. But that was a bit hard to make out (and my native language is not English).The tests seem to be over . They gave the 3 test-scoops (area's) the names of papa bear, mama bear and baby bear.The real digging around the Phoenix should start Sol 9 or 10 (tomorrow or d.a. tomorrow).There is another Tele interview tomorrow evening...   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

derekmcd · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>About the white material. It could be ice, or it might be a kind of salt. Posted by efron_24</DIV>More specifically, they referred to it as Kieserite.  Though, I believe one of them made an off comment that they really think it is ice, but obviously still have to confirm it.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <div> </div> <div>"If something's hard to do, then it's not worth doing." - Homer Simpson</div> </div>

doc3170 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi guys, I cannot get that link on the U of A site to work.Any guesses as to what the white stuff in the scoop was? Salt or Ice?Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> BTW, you might want to try that link again.  It took quite a while for it to start.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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