Phoenix surface mission

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

A better Phoenix Weather Widget has been released.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Weather_report%20Sol%207%20Phoenix_R-342.html. <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/13/13/9dff6cb1-c309-49aa-8d52-7eb3d2110d51.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Hi Jon Clarke, do you have the exact Phoenix co-ordinates?I seem to have two slightly different locations.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

tanstaafl76 · Jun 2, 2008

Nothing on the 'seashell' ??  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Jun 2, 2008

Thanks!  How did they determine that the surface was made of "dust, volcanic basalt, sulphur & silica"?cheers Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Nothing on the 'seashell' ??  Posted by tanstaafl76</DIV>Nope, there was nothing on the spring in the soil mentioned.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jun 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks!  How did they determine that the surface was made of "dust, volcanic basalt, sulphur & silica"?cheers Jon Posted by jonclarke</DIV>Hi Jon, they did not go into much detail, but it was mentioned that the general composition was based on the different filters used in the SSI & thermal properties.They did say a much more accurate breakdown will be available once samples are in the TEGA, etc, but they were pretty certain on that statement, with the the information to hand.Also the colour image (that I queried concerning the black background that unintentionally caused offense, to a good friend of mine on these boards), of the sample in the scoop, also matched that composition under the different coloured LEDs.The general impression, is that the composition of the site may not be too different to that as sampled by Viking 2 in Utopia Planitia. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Sol 8.Emptied scoop & opened cover of TEGA.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Scoop%20%20TEGA%20sol%208%20Phoenix.html<img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/15/5f134b73-1954-4ec2-8fa1-55d66e3a38f2.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Another view of substrate under Phoenix.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Substrate%20sol%208%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/9/1/5981eaf5-d73b-4a4e-b153-3afd198aa0ae.Medium.jpg" alt="" />A brightened view of substrate under Phoenix.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Substrate%20sol%208%20(2)%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/0/53d46888-4da3-4d7b-9035-b3a83c236605.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Jun 3, 2008

It looks (even) more like ice now, doesn't it..I will have to look for larger versions of the images though. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It looks (even) more like ice now, doesn't it..I will have to look for larger versions of the images though. Posted by efron_24</DIV>I agree efron_24. It does look more like ice now. I noticed in the raw images returned that there were three identical images. I suspect they are the three LED lit ones. Hopefully later, we will see the colour image. It was said yesterday that the 'Holy Cow' lumps were also to be imaged with the midnight sun shining on it, though by the looks of it that was not on Sol 8, these images were in the afternoon. Perhaps sol 9 or 10?Also I hope that the SSI will be used at the same time to get a view of the Martian midnight sun, low over the northern horizon. There could be some interesting sky glows, par helia, etc if there are any ice crystals about in the atmosphere.Should be an interesting update later.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

JonClarke · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Hi Jon, they did not go into much detail, but it was mentioned that the general composition was based on the different filters used in the SSI & thermal properties.They did say a much more accurate breakdown will be available once samples are in the TEGA, etc, but they were pretty certain on that statement, either the information to hand.Also the colour image (that I queried concerning the black background that unintentionally caused offense, to a good friend of mine on these boards), of the sample in the scoop, also matched that composition under the different coloured LEDs.The general impression, is that the composition of the site may not be too different to that as sampled by Viking 2 in Utopia Planitia. Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV>Thanks Andrew.  The dust as global distribution, thanks to the storms, so you would expect it to have a similar composition to Viking.  It does increse the chance of being able to test for the odd chemistry in the Viking materal.Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks Andrew.  The dust as global distribution, thanks to the storms, so you would expect it to have a similar composition to Viking.  It does increse the chance of being able to test for the odd chemistry in the Viking materal.Jon Posted by jonclarke</DIV>You are more than welcome Jon. I intend to follow the Phoenix surface mission so closely that Phoenix cannot sneeze with out me knowing about it.I remeber very well, when Mars Pathfinder landed & it was announced that the dust composition was exactly the same as measured by Viking (not surprising really as she landed only about 840 KM S E of Viking 1). The fact that both MERs & now Phoenix continue the same general readings as from the Vikings regarding surface dust (obviously not the local geology), supports the notion of global dust storms spreading the same material. I would suspect that only the summit calderas of the Tharsis volcanoes may not be blanketed due to their enormous altitude, but else where, I would expect the dust to be fairly homogenous.This will make life a lot easier as you say regarding siol sampling. Now that we are pretty certain that the dust is the same planet wide, then the dust readings can be subtracted & what's left is the local chemistry, related to the site in question.This is a very positive development. This is just getting better, sol by sol.Do you have the exact landing co-ordinates? I have two seperate figures slightly different. I will report on today's briefing, though I lack Wayne's Scribble Notes skills, which are far superior to mine. Once again, thanks Jon.Something else I will investigate & hope that it is true, that it was vaguely worded that a lander may be sent to the failed Mars Polar Lander site, to carry out a similar mission there. I really hope that it is true. What a wonderful complimentary mission to Phoenix, in the southern hemisphere at a similar sort of latitude.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>[..] I would suspect that only the summit calderas of the Tharsis volcanoes may not be blanketed due to their enormous altitude, but else where, I would expect the dust to be fairly homogenous.This will make life a lot easier as you say regarding siol sampling. Now that we are pretty certain that the dust is the same planet wide, then the dust readings can be subtracted & what's left is the local chemistry, related to the site in question.This is a very positive development. [..].Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV>That would make it very interestering to go to the vulcano's and try to land in one of the calderas Chris <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Looks like some new images have just been returned.'Holy Cow' short exposure.http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Holy%20Cow%20shorter%20exposure%20image%20Sol%208.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/2/d620c233-7c54-4241-a2b2-6424ee20d611.Medium.jpg" alt="" />NNE view mid distance. Part of high resolution panorama?http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/NNE%20view%20small%20rocks%20sol%208.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/1/468568ea-1832-4ec0-81c5-f74b3b903e60.Medium.jpg" alt="" />NE view mid distance. Part of high resolution panorama?http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/NE%20small%20rocks%20sol%208%20Phoenix.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/14/efdb4d52-ea08-42b4-8e36-0858a304ffcf.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> NE view slightly closer. Part of high resolution panorama? http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/NE%20dust%20%20small%20rocks%20sol%208.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/3/0/f3dc6547-4b5b-49dc-b02a-ca2d825b9892.Medium.jpg" alt="" />NE partial panorama. Part of high resolution panorama? http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Partial%20mosaic%20to%20NE%20sol%208.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/1/3/f1740eaf-df87-477a-b3c5-8bf667e30a8d.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Looks like the area of suspected layering has been imaged again on Sol 7. Part of high resolution panorama? http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/lg_1912.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/7/12/87338820-b963-4b71-ac06-d9204990e29d.Medium.jpg" alt="" />Enlarged cropp of suspected layering on Sol 7.Also there are what appears to be two vesicular basalts???http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Suspected%20layering%202.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/4/13/f41d0f61-1647-48a1-ad49-b2262fa5cd23.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

abq_farside · Jun 3, 2008

Thanks for all the updates from everybody.  This is my first source for Phoenix news. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Don't let who you are keep you from becoming who you want to be! </div>

efron_24 · Jun 3, 2008

Is Mars Unique in this global dust distribution ?It can't happen on the Moon and Mercury.. It can't happen on the Gas planets (in the same manner)but what about (vulcanic) dust on Venus.. What about Titan... or even ice particles from Enceladus..do they gover their globe ?If Titan has oceans like Earth.. it might be difficult there.Venus seems to have fast winds in the upper regions of it's atmosphere.. but I do not know about storms near the ground levelsAnd what about Earth.. I know we got a lot of Sahara sand and dust in the Netherlands just last week again.. so in a way it happens on Earth..but i doubt if sand from the sahara will (in these days) reach South America and the USA.. Does Australian dessert sand ever reach New Zealand ?    <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

thor06 · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is Mars Unique in this global dust distribution ?It can't happen on the Moon and Mercury.. It can't happen on the Gas planets (in the same manner)but what about (vulcanic) dust on Venus.. What about Titan... or even ice particles from Enceladus..do they gover their globe ?If Titan has oceans like Earth.. it might be difficult there.Venus seems to have fast winds in the upper regions of it's atmosphere.. but I do not know about storms near the ground levelsAnd what about Earth.. I know we got a lot of Sahara sand and dust in the Netherlands just last week again.. so in a way it happens on Earth..but i doubt if sand from the sahara will (in these days) reach South America and the USA.. Does Australian dessert sand ever reach New Zealand ?    Posted by efron_24</DIV>        I don't know about NZ, but being so close I assume AUS dust would get there.  I do know Saharan dust does make it to USA, and is a big problem in the Caribbean.  It contains lots of nasty bugs(bacteria).  FYI, pollution from China is a regularly in the air on the west coast of USA. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> www.watchnasatv.com ONE PERCENT FOR NASA! </div>

l3p3r · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thanks for all the updates from everybody.  This is my first source for Phoenix news. Posted by abq_farside</DIV>Yes, to those who know what they're talking about: Thanks for the info! I've been glued to this thread for 5 days!! Can't wait to see some TEGA results

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Does Australian dessert sand ever reach New Zealand ?</DIV> I can't tell you about New Zealand, but I live in Tasmania (the island state off the south coast of Australia) and we have had quite thick dust in the air swept in all the way from central Australia (that's down over the great Australian bight, then into the prevailing westerlies and across to Tasmania! something like 5000-6000km) So it seems very likely that it could reach New Zealand. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

lucaspf · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Looks like the area of suspected layering has been imaged again on Sol 7. Part of high resolution panorama?http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/lg_1912.htmlEnlarged cropp of suspected layering on Sol 7.Also there are what appears to be two vesicular basalts???http://www.photodump.com/Anonymous/Suspected%20layering%202.htmlAndrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> Thats an interesting little "outcrop". At the higher resolution it doesn't seem to be a true rock unit, but I could be wrong. There are definately a few vesicular looking rocks around. I am really blown away at how rounded some of those rocks look. I am afraid I am jumping to conclusions though. What processes other than water could erode these rocks down? It could be as simple as sand ablation over the millenia, which sounds reasonable to me. (and a lot less exciting)Efron, the winds at Venus' surface don't really get strong enough to globally distribute sand. I believe they don't get above 2-3 mph, as the atmosphere is like soup at the surface(pressures similar to a km of ocean depth). Over millions of years though, it may be possible.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

efron_24 · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Thats an interesting little "outcrop". At the higher resolution it doesn't seem to be a true rock unit, but I could be wrong. There are definately a few vesicular looking rocks around. I am really blown away at how rounded some of those rocks look. I am afraid I am jumping to conclusions though. What processes other than water could erode these rocks down? It could be as simple as sand ablation over the millenia, which sounds reasonable to me. (and a lot less exciting)Efron, the winds at Venus' surface don't really get strong enough to globally distribute sand. I believe they don't get above 2-3 mph, as the atmosphere is like soup at the surface(pressures similar to a km of ocean depth). Over millions of years though, it may be possible.  Posted by lucaspf</DIV> About the little "outcrop".. these Mars stones near Phoenix sure are rounded.. And lined up.Wind doesn't do that.. We have these kinds of stone allignment it in the city of Amersfoort and we see it at the city of Bergen op Zoom. Large rocks (in a country without mountains arnd rocks) aligned. We also have the stone-grave monuments in the Drenthe Province..("hunebedden" from the age of Stonehendge).These rocks were brought to NL by Ice movement.. (from the ancient Ice ages). When the ice melts again.. it left behind the stones from far away in the Netherlands..Even though the stones here are small they clearly are aligned by a force that can not be the wind.Round shapes by wind ok.. but alignment (like this).. no way.Because there are also larger rocks there that are not aligned.. I rule the force of ice out.. and therefor (wind is not powerful enough, ice would also have moved the larger rocks) I would like to think it was water that once flowed here .. a bitI do believe in coincidence.. but  an alignment of stones along a slope, a little up-hill and following the curve of the slope... and the rounded forms of these stones.. that is a bit too much coincidence. (Although one has to atmit it is all speculation. One hopes. We speculate and hope.. scientists remove the Fiction from the Sience) -=- Thanks for all the responds on dust distrubution on Earth (and Venus)I had no idea... although I did hear about exotic spiders that can fly with the wind.. and because of global heating now survive in W. Europe. But again (forgetting the spiders) a simularity between Earth and Mars.  Thanks  !-=- A new Tele News Converence  in 20 minutes.. I hope it might be online (like yesterday) in a little over an hour after that, so in 1,5 hours  Chris   <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Thats an interesting little "outcrop". At the higher resolution it doesn't seem to be a true rock unit, but I could be wrong. There are definately a few vesicular looking rocks around. I am really blown away at how rounded some of those rocks look. I am afraid I am jumping to conclusions though. What processes other than water could erode these rocks down? It could be as simple as sand ablation over the millenia, which sounds reasonable to me. (and a lot less exciting)Posted by lucaspf</DIV>Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>About the little "outcrop".. these Mars stones near Phoenix sure are rounded.. And lined up.Wind doesn't do that.. We have these kinds of stone allignment it in the city of Amersfoort and we see it at the city of Bergen op Zoom. Large rocks (in a country without mountains arnd rocks) aligned. We also have the stone-grave monuments in the Drenthe Province..("hunebedden" from the age of Stonehendge).These rocks were brought to NL by Ice movement.. (from the ancient Ice ages). When the ice melts again.. it left behind the stones from far away in the Netherlands..Even though the stones here are small they clearly are aligned by a force that can not be the wind.Round shapes by wind ok.. but alignment (like this).. no way.Because there are also larger rocks there that are not aligned.. I rule the force of ice out.. and therefor (wind is not powerful enough, ice would also have moved the larger rocks) I would like to think it was water that once flowed here .. a bitI do believe in coincidence.. but  an alignment of stones along a slope, a little up-hill and following the curve of the slope... and the rounded forms of these stones.. that is a bit too much coincidence. (Although one has to atmit it is all speculation. One hopes. We speculate and hope.. scientists remove the Fiction from the Sience) -=- Thanks for all the responds on dust distrubution on Earth (and Venus)I had no idea... although I did hear about exotic spiders that can fly with the wind.. and because of global heating now survive in W. Europe. But again (forgetting the spiders) a simularity between Earth and Mars.  Thanks  !-=- A new Tele News Converence  in 20 minutes.. I hope it might be online (like yesterday) in a little over an hour after that, so in 1,5 hours  Chris   Posted by efron_24</DIV>Cheers guys for your input. I will have to look up hunnebeden. I have travelled around you country by train, like the double decker trains. Where are you from? I stayed in Rotterdam, Amsterdam & Grongingen.Telecast should now be on.Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 3, 2008

Since Andrew's notes got eaten I will post my Scribblenotes of yesterdays teleconference. Some of this has been discussed alreadyPeter Smith, PI, Ray Arbidson Co Investigator Robotic Arm from WUSTL, Pat Woids Sr Engineer PhoenixPS: I was worried 5 years ago about not having wheels, but it's a thrill we're at a great location to do the science we came for. Polygons are a clue there's ice. "Holy Cow" (bright material beneath lander) is a flat bright surface, sure looks like ice. (Question asked later can you scoop it- answer is no; arm cannot access that area)We've had first interactions. "Yeti" was a press down into the soil by the scoop.Later a dig and dump to the left of National Park. Trench dug, material scooped and examined by arm camera, showing white material that could be ice, or Kiesterite, MgSO4-H20 (rare on earth)- Evaporate.TEGA Filament problem----. Switched to backup filament, worked fine. In response to a question, is first filament dead? Maybe not. It presented as an intermittent problem during 0G, now is hard short. Possibly a contaminant particle. If needed they can try and shake it loose, a nearby solenoid can be used to vibrate it. Prefer not to do that, but if needed we can try) Filament is used to ionize gas from heated material so it can be magnetically transported to the mass spectrometer.First dig was above Yeti, first samples (that will now go to TEGA as originally planned) will be Baby Bear, Mama Bear and Papa Bear to right of Yeti. (Ray gets to name them as he and Peter exchanged glances, Peter said hey, it's his scoop, he gets to name them.) 3 Adjacent samples one each to each of the 3 analysis instruments. Looks like that will be Sol 9 or 10 so next day or two. Full TEGA analysis takes 4 or 5 days. First it's heated to ~ 100C to melt and evaporate any ice. Then next heating is to 1000C to drive out even the most recalictrant materials from the soil. Last is reheat to 1000C as a baseline after all material has been heated once.First dig materials were dumped in an inaccessable area to left from height of ~ 50 CM.Questions about Yeti. Why does it look like that? Scoop pressed down into sloped surface. So it wasn't intentional? A: No. Q? So no conspiracies then? No, "We don't have time for conpiracies"

PS3D images will be done of Holy Cow, as well as images during different lighting conditions. Probably too far away for LED's to allow color images; besides the sun never goes down, so unless you are close, color images are too hard.Pitting on Holy Cow? Maybe some, unclear whether from melting or pebbles being dislodged. Thrusters likely didn't melt much since contact was so brief (Remember Phoenix was falling at ~ 2.5 meters per second-MW)Soil is pretty much what expected, loose soil and some "duracrust or Duricrust" cementing the surface together. Seems pretty cohesive, preserves slopes when scooped.Response to "Too Much Salt for Life" Harvard paper? No, too busy to read papers and respond.20C difference between your head an feet (head is colder) During night, stable layers, during day lots of convective mixing. Makes Temp reading noisy as parcels of air pass by at different temps. -------------------------That's about it for me, I'mm be back to correct speeling, grammer, etc shortley. Trying to find where today's teleconference can be heard.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Cheers Wayne, that's great, really helpful as mine were vapourized!!!!!!!!!!!I cannot find today's teleconference. Yesterday's is still playing.  <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/12/14/8caf9186-839d-4cb0-be4c-d7ed076e4d8c.Medium.gif" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

efron_24 · Jun 3, 2008

Sorry.. my mistakeHunebedhttp://users.bart.nl/~jbmeijer/frntpage.htmGreat site.-=-I am from The Hague / Den Haag (government city, Royal city and 'de facto' capital of NL) <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Cheers Wayne, that's great, really helpful as mine were vapourized!!!!!!!!!!!I cannot find today's teleconference. Yesterday's is still playing.  Andrew Brown. Posted by 3488</DIV> From what I've been able to find out, next event is NASA TV 2PM EDT tomorrow <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

3488 · Jun 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Sorry.. my mistake Hunebed http://users.bart.nl/~jbmeijer/frntpage.htm Great site.-=- I am from The Hague / Den Haag (government city, Royal city and 'de facto' capital of NL) Posted by efron_24</DIV>Thanks Chris, very interesting I have visited your home city twice during my travels in the Netherlands. Interesting neolithic site too, it's a wonder that I've not heard of it before.So your link does not get lost, I will create a Neolithic thread in our History section.Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>From what I've been able to find out, next event is NASA TV 2PM EDT tomorrow Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Thanks Wayne, That's what I seem to be able to fathom out. There is more than enough being accomplished by Phoenix to warrant a daily update. I know that the STS 124 Discovery / ISS mission is very important & news worthy & it's only right that STS 124 is on NASA TV, that's why its there.But NASA TV has three channels. Perhaps STS 124 runs 24/7 till just after Discovery lands on the Public Channel. Phoenix gets a few hours, alongside anything else including Cassini, the MERs, GLAST throughout the day, etc on the Media Channel. The Education channel perhaps runs NASA's work on Earth sciences of which there is a great deal. The other day there was a fascinating programme about a NASA converted Boeing 707 being used to chase & research high altitude cirrus clouds over the Arctic & northern Canada. Absolutely fascinating broadcast. A suggestion?? Anyway, before I go off topic too far, I will be checking for new colour images & mosaics this evening here as about this sort of time they are released, before the next arrival of raw data from Odyssey in the morning. Of course that is approx 40 minutes later each day due to the longer sol. It will be Sol 10 tomorrow, so approx 370 minutes later then when Phoenix first landed or just over 6 hours, or about 11:10 PM PDT or 7:10 AM CET (please correct me if I'm wrong Wayne).That's a point, Phoenix is already 10% of the way through the primary mission (hopefully somewhat less than that for the total mission). Doesn't time fly when one is having fun?????? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/7/b059931d-33ad-4cb7-b7a8-0601c9c641a6.Medium.gif" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

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