Ariane 5 ES-L528 - ATV cargo (Jules Verne) -

MeteorWayne · Apr 1, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>[Good catch aphh, Thanx Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>A piece of our old friend USA 193 will be approcahing Jules Verne within 3.5 km the morning of docking. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 2, 2008

Just a Friendly Bumpreminder that NASA TV will cover tomorrows docking activities beginng 8 AM EDT, with docking schedule for 10:41 AM EDT (0241 UT).Ariennespace will cover just the last 20 minutes athttp://www.videocorner.tv/index.php?langue=en<div class="style2" align="justify">- Docking of the ATV to the International Space Station</div><div class="style2" align="justify"> Follow live the docking of the ATV to the International Space Station, Thursday, April 3. Starting  at 02:00 pm (UT) with the “H.0. docking”  scheduled at 02:41 pm UT.</div><div class="style2" align="justify"> </div>  <div align="left">launch live on the internet: http://www.videocorner.tv/index.php?langue=en</div><div align="left"> </div>htt<a href="http://www.videocorner.tv/index.php?langue=en" target="_blank">http://www.videocorner.tv/index.php?://www.videocorner.tv/index.php?</a> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 2, 2008

From Space.com:Europe's first unmanned space freighter is clear to dock at the International Space Station (ISS) tomorrow after acing two rendezvous tests, mission managers said Wednesday.The European Space Agency (ESA) approved plans to dock the massive automated cargo ship Jules Verne at the station on Thursday at 10:41 a.m. EDT (1441 GMT). The first of Europe's new fleet of Automated Transfer Vehicles (ATVs), the 21-ton spacecraft has already made two approaches to the space station - on Saturday and Monday, respectively - flying within about 36 feet (11 meters) at its closest approach."We have proven that Jules Verne's systems are safe, reliable and ready to dock to the station," said John Ellwood, ESA's ATV project manager, in a Wednesday statement.Named after the famed 19th century science fiction writer, the Jules Verne ATV is a cylindrical spacecraft about the size of a London double-decker bus. It is large enough to carry three times the cargo as Russia's unmanned Progress spacecraft and is powered by four solar panels that jut out at diagonal angles, giving the space freighter the look of a fat X-wing fighter from "Star Wars." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

aphh · Apr 2, 2008

It's great to see that, eh, *we* can also launch, fly and navigate a giant craft in outer-space effortlessly. Video docking allows completely autonomous joining of large modules on orbit. All we need is a re-entry module now and we could start building that Moon or Mars station. ATV is already man-rated, the launcher is not.

MeteorWayne · Apr 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's great to see that, eh, *we* can also launch, fly and navigate a giant craft in outer-space effortlessly. Video docking allows completely autonomous joining of large modules on orbit. All we need is a re-entry module now and we could start building that Moon or Mars station. ATV is already man-rated, the launcher is not.  Posted by aphh</DIV> Wow, is that true? I wasn't aware ATV was man rated. Sorry I missed that!I might suggest the term "effortlessly" is never really true in spaceflight.The effort expended is very considerable, which is what makes it such a challenge and an accomplishment. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

aphh · Apr 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Wow, is that true? I wasn't aware ATV was man rated. Sorry I missed that!I might suggest the term "effortlessly" is never really true in spaceflight.The effort expended is very considerable, which is what makes it such a challenge and an accomplishment. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>I know, I used the term *effortlessly* loosely. But that's the impression that one could get when watching the docking rehearsal. The craft just danced around.Yes, I think ATV is man-rated already. One would need to install seats and accompanying gear to haul up astronauts aswell. Ofcourse that is an extreme simplification of the problem of launching astronauts.Man-rating the launcher, a modified Ariane 5ES-ATV, could be a bigger problem. There would need to be an escape system, which might render the whole setup too heavy.

tadpoletriker · Apr 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> Wow, is that true? I wasn't aware ATV was man rated. Sorry I missed that!I might suggest the term "effortlessly" is never really true in spaceflight.The effort expended is very considerable, which is what makes it such a challenge and an accomplishment. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>And no heat shield. No re-entry capability if anything goes wrong.

aphh · Apr 2, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>And no heat shield. No re-entry capability if anything goes wrong.  Posted by tadpoletriker</DIV>Yes, it would be a one-way ticket at this point. But ATV becomes part of the habitable volume of the ISS, so man-rating it was one of the design principles.Also, I don't think we will see ATV's for astronauts anytime soon. One obstacle is the high price.

3488 · Apr 2, 2008

Article here from Speceflightnow.com.http://spaceflightnow.com/ariane/v181/080402dockpre.htmlDocking timeline below.http://spaceflightnow.com/ariane/v181/080402docktimeline.html <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/6/8/3631ab5e-50aa-4a3e-b899-dfa67ff5c200.Medium.jpg" alt="" /> Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

Swampcat · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>ATV is already man-rated, the launcher is not.  Posted by aphh</DIV> It's my understanding that the Ariane 5 was designed to be man-rated. One of the original requirements for the Ariane 5 was the ability to lift the Hermes spaceplane. I don't think all of the design was implemented and some changes were made after Hermes was dropped, but the capability to add the man-rated elements is built into the system. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> ------------------------------------------------------------------- "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."Thomas Jefferson </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Just a heads up docking activities are on NASA TV live now.Docking still scheduled for 10:40 AM EDT (1440 UT), but they may delay it 15 minutes so that hasrd dock will occur over ISS control in Russia for improved telemetry. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Just a heads up docking activities are on NASA TV live now.Docking still scheduled for 10:40 AM EDT (1440 UT), but they may delay it 15 minutes so that hasrd dock will occur over ISS control in Russia for improved telemetry. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> Next stage of final approach underway from 250 meters to 19 meters. Docking less tha 1 hr away. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

bobw · Apr 3, 2008

Has anybody seen a picture showing where the insulation is funky?  Think they will get out the stapler to fix it?

Holding at 19 meters now.  <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Has anybody seen a picture showing where the insulation is funky?  Think they will get out the stapler to fix it?

Holding at 19 meters now.  Posted by bobw</DIV>There's no real need to fix it from what I understand, at least not that I've heard of.Now station keeping at 19 meters. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

bobw · Apr 3, 2008

Can you see the bad insulation from any of the views we saw today? Final check roll bias alignment system. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Can you see the bad insulation from any of the views we saw today? Final check roll bias alignment system. Posted by bobw</DIV>  I think so.Now moving from 19 to 11 meters; after a pause there, it's on to docking. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'> I think so.Now moving from 19 to 11 meters; after a pause there, it's on to docking. Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> Yes, you can see some areas where the insulation is lifted away from the surface. None appear very large. BTW JV carries 8 TONS! of cargo to be transferred to the ISS. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Now awaiting final go for docking at 11 meters <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Now awaiting final go for docking at 11 meters Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV>Final go has been given <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

bobw · Apr 3, 2008

Is this it? <img src="http://sitelife.space.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/15/0/8f2cf512-d532-43d9-a067-60685bb5c44e.Medium.png" alt="" width="402" height="453" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Final go has been given Posted by MeteorWayne</DIV> Contact and Capture!!!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>Is this it? Posted by bobw</DIV>Yes and one at the front edge at the top as well, from what I see. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Apr 3, 2008

Hard Mate is now confirmed. Congrats to ESA!!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

aphh · Apr 3, 2008

Replying to: <DIV CLASS='Discussion_PostQuote'>It's my understanding that the Ariane 5 was designed to be man-rated. One of the original requirements for the Ariane 5 was the ability to lift the Hermes spaceplane. I don't think all of the design was implemented and some changes were made after Hermes was dropped, but the capability to add the man-rated elements is built into the system. Posted by Swampcat</DIV>It's quite interesting, and I also seem to remember either hearing or reading about some ESA plan, where the Ariane/ATV is fitted with an escape system for abort during ascent and also abort from orbit.But it took 10 years to get to this point to get the first ATV up, so it's best not to hold one's breath and celebrate this accomplishment for now. "It really flies".

bobw · Apr 3, 2008

I thought there was a big spot diagonal from that one, but I don't know what it is supposed to look like.  Might be instruments for all I know. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

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