Mars the anomalies The moon too.

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 25, 2007

garfieldthecat - â€œAn Unmistakable Machined Fittingâ€!!! ROFL Priceless! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

zenonmars · Jul 25, 2007

tel, No, I believe Hoagland annotated the "pointy stuff" image........lol........and if you know his speaking style, you might apprehend the humor as I did. Garfield, what are the size (in millimeters or approximate inches) of these cubist minerals and crystal arrays? I am so curious. Yes, I know there are quartz crystals here on Earth almost as big as a Volkswagon (seriously!), but I am still curious about these images. I think Ron was more than clear in his Geo101 "lesson" about the abundant symmetry in nature. But we must not forget Sagan's "yardstick" of identifying intelligent life: the "regularity of their constructions". 3488, Yes, when we are presented with pictures of rocks, we are all mostly going to see rocks. Which brings me to my NEXT celebrity - KEN JOHNSTON was a NASA insider, as pertains to Apollo data, and maintained a personal collection of first-generation Apollo prints, (Hassleblad stills, etc) which he was ordered by his superiors to "get rid of". They sat in his University alma mater's library until he saw a Hoagland conference presentation, after which he and Hoagland drove to Oklahoma and retrieved them. Here is a small slice of the Joshnston/Hoagland radio interview by Art Bell: Ken Johnston: "I was working for one of the prime contractors for NASA at the time. That was Brown-Root and Northrop. It was a consortium between the Brown-Root Corporation and the Northrop Corporation at the Lunar Receiving Laboratory. They had the contract for the processing of the lunar samples and my particular function was a supervisor of the data and photo control department, which handled all of the photographic, as well as written documentation about the lunar samples. Art Bell: So, everything that came in, went through you? KJ: That's correct. ...... Ken Johnston: Well, I was just explaining a <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 25, 2007

"I never considered that there might be something there that I wasn't told to see. " Huh? I didn't see it because my own eyes didn't, and I wasn't told to see it? Huh? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 25, 2007

ZenOnMars - Nobody had time, in the system, to look at and question details and photographs, when the official interpreters were telling them: "This is what you're seeing." Yet, when unofficial interpreters advised him what he was really seeing, he believed? Wow, simply amazing. A guy who believes what someone "official" told him and then believes what someone "unofficial" told him. Astounding... Is there some science in there anywhere or what is it that we should be all excited about? PS - What does this guy have to do with anything involving the current discussion? Or, did you mean to put it in the "RCH is a Christ Figure" thread.. or whatever it is called. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

telfrow · Jul 25, 2007

Somehow, at this point, I feel compelled to post a picture of a John Lennon t-shirt.... <img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 25, 2007

These are not the droids you are looking for... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

garfieldthecat · Jul 25, 2007

"Garfield, what are the size (in millimeters or approximate inches) of these cubist minerals and crystal arrays?" each edge of a cube can be a few centimeters long. The last picture I sent is the size of a big rock. Pretty noticeable even at a distance of a few meters.

yevaud · Jul 25, 2007

Plenty of unusually regular geological formations that can be mistaken for artificial by their linearity. I recollect we went through this once here, perhaps a year or more ago. Reference Jon, and something I vaguely recollect as the "Giant's Staircase." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

JonClarke · Jul 25, 2007

The Giants Causeway in Ireland. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Jul 25, 2007

Thanks for the info on Ron Nicks. One can only hope that his professional work is of a higher standard than that. Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 25, 2007

I haven't found any of his professional work or any contract lists he has been on. But, I didn't look that deep. Heck, he could specialize in consulting on the construction of fish hatcheries for all I know. <edit /> But, I did take the time to look him up for exactly the same reasons you outlined in your previous post. "Experts" frequently cited in such cases usually "aren't." <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

zenonmars · Jul 25, 2007

Folks, all I know about Ron Nicks is that he worked professionally for the oil industry. Next time I speak to Richard, I will try to get the low down. telfrow: "Somehow, at this point, I feel compelled to post a picture of a John Lennon t-shirt.... ("This Is Not Here")" How very apt, tel. Maybe Ken Johnston's doubts are due to episodes like this: (Also from the Johnston/Hoagland interview: ) "KJ: Well, on that particular case, this was Apollo 14. After we had received the film, right after the astronauts had returned to the earth, it had been processed in the NASA photo lab. It was my responsibility to put together a private viewing for the chief astronomer - that was Dr. Thornton Page and his associate and contributing scientists. I took the film over and set it up into what is called a "sequence camera;" it's kind of like one of the gun cameras they use in the military - where you can stop, freeze frame, go forward, back up and zoom in. And we were viewing the Apollo 14 footage coming around the backside of the Moon as we were approaching a large crater. Now, due to the sun angle on the frontside that you would be looking at - (you'd probably be looking at more of a crescent at that point on the backside) - in the shadows in the craters, covering about half the crater - this particularly large crater showed a cluster of about five or six lights down inside the rim. And this column or plume - or outgassing or something, coming up above the rim of the crater, where we could see that - at that point Dr. Page had me stop and freeze, and back up; and go back and forth several times. And each time, he'd pause a second and looking at that; and he finally turned to his associates and said: "Well, isn't that interesting!" And they all chuckled and laughed and Dr. Page said: "Continue". Well, I finished up that viewing and I was told t <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

JonClarke · Jul 25, 2007

That's a nice set of drawings and photos! Where are they from? Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

JonClarke · Jul 25, 2007

What supporting evidence, other than an interview is there for any of Johnson's assertions? Why should we lend any credibility to unsupported statements? Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars Arthur Clarke </div>

3488 · Jul 25, 2007

We should not Jon. There is absolutely no supporting credibility what so ever. Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> "I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before". Linda Morabito on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.http://www.launchphotography.com/ http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearthhttp://web.me.com/meridianijournal </div>

pierround · Jul 25, 2007

Lets look at how clear these are. This is Seti site what are they looking for? How to Search for Aliens http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap990517.html An Anomalous SETI Signal http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap990330.html Now go to the dark side and look at these craters. Particularly the one, with the straight line going through it. This should be kickable to enlarge. Then there are a few that look like they have pyramid structures in them. Not all but only a few. Why donâ€™t all the craters have these anomalies in them most are barren and flat on the bottom? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9903/northmoon_gal_big.jpg Why donâ€™t you knock Seti they are up to something too? I know itâ€™s a glitch in the picture, right. It's funny how every day in the world we see things in our skys. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470579&in_page_id=1770

yevaud · Jul 25, 2007

Funny how that works both ways. It is used as evidence that NASA is on the same page wrt searching for alien life (in the form of coherent signals). Simultaneously, it's used to somehow mean they've dropped the ball on this. That's "provisional acceptance," and as a debate trick, it sucks. It essentially says, "you'll believe their competent when their approach or findings conform to your beliefs. Otherwise, they must be deluded/incompetent/misled/ignoring 'X'." E.g., you are selective in what NASA says, and only accept it when it agrees with you. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

bobw · Jul 25, 2007

Why donâ€™t all the craters have these anomalies in them most are barren and flat on the bottom? The central peaks are not anomalies and in addition to the normal range of crater shapes some craters are flooded with lava. Information on stuff like that is really easy to find. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/science/craterstructure.html Simple craters have bowl-shaped depressions and are the typical crater form for structures on the Moon with rim diameters (D in the figure) of less than about 15 kilometers. Craters on the Moon with diameters larger than about 15 kilometers have more complex forms, including shallow, relatively flat floors, central uplifts, and slump blocks and terraces on the inner wall of the crater rim. In craters on the Moon with diameters between about 20 and 175 kilometers, the central uplift is typically a single peak or small group of peaks. Craters on the Moon with diameters larger than about 175 kilometers can have complex, ring-shaped uplifts. When impact structures exceed 300 kilometers in diameter, they are termed impact basins rather than craters. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 25, 2007

Zen, unless there is some sort of reason that these interview snippets are important, they really don't serve any purpose at all. We could all just turn on C2C and wouldn't need you in the discussion at all. What evidence do these people present for their assertions? Where is this "Science" you keep talking about that Hoagland engages in? All I see are people mugging for a radio program and that doesn't prove a darn thing. It's "filler material" and seems to be evasive, imo. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

pierround · Jul 25, 2007

Why are they looking for signals when it's right under our noses? Anything here look recognizable, similar? Perhaps the very first picture? This is pre 1947 pictures, http://www.ufoartwork.com/slideshow.php? Maybe like this. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9630 If itâ€™s a big slab of rock so be it, but what if itâ€™s not? Knowledge is power would you share in todayâ€™s world? I donâ€™t trust the government as far as reveling that they are supreme, in our protection Let alone that they are the supreme power over us. Theyâ€™ve got issues. Wouldn't they speak with a faster means? Something that can travel the speed of light? Or better, the speed of gravity? Do you think they will tell us even if they do get a signal from some pre50s type civilization? Let alone one that's 1000 years advanced.

pierround · Jul 25, 2007

Particularly the one, with the straight line going through it. I don't believe that lava will do that even with less gravity. <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />Funny how that works both ways. It is used as evidence that NASA is on the same page wrt searching for alien life (in the form of coherent signals). Simultaneously, it's used to somehow mean they've dropped the ball on this. <hr /></blockquote> Why would they be looking for something that doesn't exsit and is not showing up in our skys?

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 25, 2007

pierreround - Now go to the dark side and look at these craters. Particularly the one, with the straight line going through it. This should be kickable to enlarge. Then there are a few that look like they have pyramid structures in them. Not all but only a few. Why donâ€™t all the craters have these anomalies in them most are barren and flat on the bottom? Ah, things that look like other things. Is a piece of toast which has a burn mark on it that kind of looks like Elvis evidence of Elvis' omnipotence in reaching past the grave? Do clouds that look like elephants like peanuts? If a rock looks like a portrait of your father, does that mean it really is your father? Is this the limit of your critical analysis of "anomolies" on the Moon? 1) There are all sorts of lines and ridges that appear "straight" on the Moon but that doesn't mean they actually are nor does it mean they are artificial. There are natural explanations for these. Among them are the eyes natural tendency to try to associate like with like even though there is no common causality. IOW, it may look like there are "lines" but they disappear after observations at differing resolutions. However, some are actually fracture ridges left behind after particularly large impacts. Someone more familiar with the Moon's geologic history may even be able to point at specific ones and tell you perfectly logical and scientific explanations for their formation. 2) How many of those craters are actually flat and barren? Can you see that clearly? Further, when were they made? You do realize that just because there is one crater there it doesn't mean something else won't fall in and impact it right? Craters stack up over time and some can remain fairly pristine while others get pounded by debris and impactors. After all, that's what made them in the first place and the process doesn't stop just because they w <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

yevaud · Jul 25, 2007

I repeat; you are simultaneously throwing up NASA's standards and methodology for SETI, while stating they have completely ignored this Lunar anomaly. That's what I glean from what you said. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

pierround · Jul 25, 2007

Lost says, <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />Ah, things that look like other things. Is a piece of toast which has a burn mark on it that kind of looks like Elvis evidence of Elvis' omnipotence in reaching past the grave? Do clouds that look like elephants like peanuts? If a rock looks like a portrait of your father, does that mean it really is your father? Is this the limit of your critical analysis of "anomolies" on the Moon? <hr /></blockquote> Straw man argument. Show me one that looks like that one. Lost says, <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />1) There are all sorts of lines and ridges that appear "straight" on the Moon but that doesn't mean they actually are nor does it mean they are artificial. There are natural explanations for these. Among them are the eyes natural tendency to try to associate like with like even though there is no common causality. IOW, it may look like there are "lines" but they disappear after observations at differing resolutions. However, some are actually fracture ridges left behind after particularly large impacts. Someone more familiar with the Moon's geologic history may even be able to point at specific ones and tell you perfectly logical and scientific explanations for their formation. <hr /></blockquote> That explains a lot but not everything. Lost packet says, <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />How many of those craters are actually flat and barren? Can you see that clearly? Further, when were they made? You do realize that just because there is one crater there it doesn't mean something else won't fall in and impact it right?<hr /></blockquote> But that's not the case with these, and it might take, lets see millions of years or less. <blockquote>In reply to:<hr />After all, that's what made them in the first place and the process doesn't stop just because t</blockquote>

telfrow · Jul 25, 2007

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