Mars the anomalies The moon too.

pierround · Jul 26, 2007

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />Did you read the caption for the 2nd one? "astronomers have identified in it many attributes characteristic of a man-made satellite in low Earth orbit." <hr /></blockquote> Sure I did, so what good does Seti do exactly? All that interferences out there they can't say for sure can they? You would think that if it were they could translate it then, because if it was a satellite sending or receiving itâ€™s one of ours. They could be picking up a cell phone call and not know that ET is calling home, from here.

MeteorWayne · Jul 26, 2007

It will do a lot of good when they can find a repeatable source from the same spot in the sky over a period of time. The source of any interference or a real signal can be determined if it repeatable. A cell phone call would not make the image of the yellow straight line on the image you linked to. Perhaps you should do a little research about what you are looking at before you claim it's ET? If you follow the links on the APOD page you will learn a lot. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 26, 2007

No, your "ufoartwok" link does not work. http://www.ufoartwork.com/slideshow.php? Nice site to reference for real evidence <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 26, 2007

Yes, sometimes NASA gives us blurry photos. Do you have any idea what the technology was like at the time that photo was taken? It's not like today with MRO, and Hubble. That was 35 years ago! How fast was your PC back then? Oh right, they DIDN'T EXIST. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> And besides, did you see how dark the image is? And BTW, I still don't see ANYTHING on that Apollo 15 image to get worked up about. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

pierround · Jul 26, 2007

<blockquote>In reply to:<hr />You can't see craters on the dark side of the Moon, because its... dark. You must mean the eliminated part of the Moon in the wonderful image you linked to: <hr /></blockquote> Yes the right side. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9903/northmoon_gal_big.jpg <blockquote>In reply to:<hr /> Particularly the one, with the straight line going through it. There are lots of straight(ish) lines in that image. Whcih one(s) do you mean? Provide an annoteted image, please. Then there are a few that look like they have pyramid structures in them. Not all but only a few. Again, please indicate them on an annoteted image. Most larger craters have central peaks in them, formed by istostatic rebound. It's a well understood process and relationship. Why donâ€™t all the craters have these anomalies in them most are barren and flat on the bottom? Size, age, and degree of infill. I don't want to sound rude, but this is elementary stuff, you could find this out for yourself by reading any introductory book on the Moon. If you spent as much time reading them as you did Hoagland you might actually know a bit about the Moon. Jon <hr /></blockquote> It is a good picture. Actually I haven't read much about Hoagland or Skipper. Jon says, <blockquote>In reply to:<hr /> Let's see in this thread you: Have failed to provide any evidence for information being "blacked out". Think that angular rocks on the Moon look like construction material. Allege that data gaps are evidence of glass towers. Don't understand how stratight lines can form in nature. Don't understand why some lunar craters have central peaks and some</blockquote>

pierround · Jul 26, 2007

http://www.ufoartwork.com/slideshow.php It's working now and did last night? Any way the first one resembles what known as a cigar shaped UFO.http://www.ufoartwork.com/slideshow.php Similar to the one here on the back side of the moon from the William Rutlage site. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-

MeteorWayne · Jul 26, 2007

Still no good. Has anyone else been able to open this link? Maybe it's a browser issue. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

telfrow · Jul 26, 2007

That one works for me. The earlier one didn't. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

MeteorWayne · Jul 26, 2007

OK, I'll try trimming it down to ufoartwrok and see if I can navigate there. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

pierround · Jul 26, 2007

Here's the main one, and yes I can open it now strange. http://www.ufoartwork.com/ There's a list on the left side pre 1947.

garfieldthecat · Jul 26, 2007

Could you look in an atlas of the moon and give us the name of the crater? It would help to see which one you're speking about (craters are a much common thing up there <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" />). And don't worry, given the picture, the crater you see obviously has a name on a moon atlas.

MeteorWayne · Jul 26, 2007

I can get to that page. So I should look at the Pre 1947? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

telfrow · Jul 26, 2007

I'm a bit confused by the "cigar shaped image" on page one of the slide show. I went to the source - The Library of Congress - and found the photo in question under "Clogh and Kimball" here. And found this under "Summit Mt. Washington, Winter of 1870-71." Below is the photo. Care to offer an opinion as to why it looks nothing like the photo shown in the slide show? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

pierround · Jul 26, 2007

Lets see if this works. Nope, you'll have to deal with it yourselfs. No matter how I crop or size it it won't let me post it. It's too big. Oh well.

telfrow · Jul 26, 2007

Compress it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

a_lost_packet_ · Jul 26, 2007

Crop it and post it to an image hosting site like imageshack or something then provide us the link. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> I put on my robe and wizard hat... </div>

pierround · Jul 26, 2007

I would have to say that he has magnified what's in the sky. The point here is that the cigar shape has been reported over and over many times like the disk has been. It might be interesting to get a copy and see. You can e-mail him and ask Matt and let him know what you found, bring him in on this discussion.

MeteorWayne · Jul 26, 2007

He probably wouldn't like it here <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id. I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function </div>

telfrow · Jul 26, 2007

I would have to say that he has magnified what's in the sky. Which part? I can't find anything in that photo that remotely resembles what you've offered as "evidence." The photo at the Library of Congress and the photo posted on the site don't match. The point here is that the cigar shape has been reported over and over many times like the disk has been. No, the point here is that you offered up that photo as evidence of the existence of cigar shaped UFOs. You can e-mail him and ask Matt and let him know what you found, bring him in on this discussion. No, you offered him as a source of evidence. You need to provide the explanation. Not me. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

telfrow · Jul 26, 2007

In the interest of fairness here, there may be more to the photo issue than first thought. Another photo labeled â€˜Summit Mt. Washington, Winter 1870-71, Entered according to Act of Congress in the year 1871, by CLOGH & KIMBALL, in the Office of the Librarian of Congress, at Washingtonâ€ has been entered on e-bay for sale here. So apparently, they used the same card, with the same engraving, for each of their photos in this particular sequence (there are at least eight shots in the sequence â€“ see the caption for the e-bay sale noted above) As previously noted, the Library of Congress only has three Clogh and Kimball photos on file, only one of which is from the sequence in question, and none of which match the version in the slide show (which, by the way, was sold on E-bay for $385 in 2002). The photo sequence itself was registered with the Library of Congress. The other photos in the sequence have been lost by the Library of Congress. So, hereâ€™s the photo in question, purchased on e-bay in 2002. There's no way of knowing if this is a full frame or a crop. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jul 26, 2007

FYI, that image may well be of a former structure built on top of Mount Washington, not some sort of vehicle. http://www.mountwashington.com/summit/index.html <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · Jul 26, 2007

The Tip Top House? Which brings up an interesting point I've been rolling around in my head. This shot is obviously from above, at an angle. Mt. Washington is 6,288 feet high. The year was 1871. Were balloonists doing aerial photography from altitudes of 6,000 plus feet in 1871? Or am I on the wrong track here? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jul 26, 2007

Isn't that a good question? I can't answer it without further research. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

telfrow · Jul 26, 2007

I'll look into to it as well... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild. - Tennyson </div>

yevaud · Jul 26, 2007

Just a thought, but if you scrutinize the object in question closely, you can actually see the pitch of the roof. And...ah hah. Got it, I think. There was a gentleman, Cleveland Abbe, who was one of the founders of the National Weather Service. He was involved in creating a weather observatory on Mount Washington in the 1870s. A method used for carrying primitive Radiosondes aloft (and possibly cameras carried with them) was the use of Kites run out by spooled wire, as can be seen in the following link. Also, I have found references to people using balloons up to those altitudes at that time. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> Differential Diagnosis: "I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are." </div>

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