Mars the anomalies The moon too.

[telfrow]

Elephant cloud<br /><br />Does it like peanuts? <br /><br /><i>Edited to correct a spelling error.</i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<Applause><br /><br />u win teh intrawebz!<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - Straw man argument. </font><br /><br />No. More properly, a leading and somewhat rhetorical question. The point is that just because something "looks" like something else does not necessarily mean it is that "something else." You can make shadow creatures with just your hands, a flashlight and a clean wall. But, that doesn't mean they are real. The same goes with shadows and jumbled rocks on the surface of the Moon. Just because they "appear" to resemble the shape of something doesn't mean they are anything more than rocks. The moon is a big round object. But, it isn't a basketball.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">That explains a lot but not everything.</font><br /><br />The awe inspiring forces I would have to bring to bear in undertaking the somewhat simple task of explaining everything about everything would, most likely, result in a catastrophic 'splosion of the internet. Exactly how much of "everything" do you wish to be explained? That would certainly narrow it down.<br /><br /><br /><font color="yellow">Of course not and we are under the same rules even with an atmosphere.<br />And we know that the majority of that bombardment has relatively ceased since prehistoric times when the solar system was born.<br />At least the major impacts. Jupiter ands Saturn pretty much suck up all the strays. Matter of fact that’s what we witnessed several years ago and we have not witnessed since or before in recorded history. </font><br /><br /><i>...During the 2001 Leonid meteor storm, astronomers observed a curious flash on the Moon -- a telltale sign of meteoroids hitting the lunar surface and exploding....</i> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast30nov_1.htm<br /><br />They still happen on occasion. Even though, the days of large impacts are probably mostly behind us it doesn't mean they can't happen. This only goes to <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[pierround]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>I repeat; you are simultaneously throwing up NASA's standards and methodology for SETI, while stating they have completely ignored this Lunar anomaly. That's what I glean from what you said. <p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Man that's not the only thing they ignore, that is the point.<br /><br />It is a possibility that some of this stuff is real and even some of their own are in rebellion against the policies of Nasa and the other government policies that want to keep this stuff under wraps.<br /><br />They release information on such things only after blacking out the relevant parts they still want to hide from us, are you blind to all that?<br /><br />I never have seen so many sheep in all my life.<br /><br />It’s not that they ignore but hide.<br />You make it sound like one anomaly when it’s thousands of anomalies and right here even on this planet, and even more through out history.<br />Did you not read the link I posted?<br />Geez!<br />That was like; two days ago that incident took place.<br />Thousands of witnesses.<br />You can wait for Seti or look your self.<br />We are all capable of looking and analyzing, it’s just speculation about the pictures from mars the moon, but when something that could be related to what we are looking for is here in our face it’s still poopoed away like it’s really a balloon.<br />I find that hilarious to say the least.<br /><br /> <br /> <br /><br /><br />33333333333333333333333 my cat wanted to type.

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - It is a possibility that some of this stuff is real ..</font><br /><br />And, it is possible some of it is not. How do you make that determination? Do you first state it is real and then demand proof or do you collect as much data as possible and compare it with known observations first?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">They release information on such things only after blacking out the relevant parts they still want to hide from us, are you blind to all that? </font><br /><br />Blacking out what relevant parts? Security information in FOI releases or are you speaking to the pictures posted earlier in this thread?<br /><br /><font color="yellow">I never have seen so many sheep in all my life. </font><br /><br />On the contrary. Many of the people here demand credible evidence instead of just taking someone's assumptions as "truth." Where are the sheep? They certainly are not on the other side of the fence from you in this discussion.<br /><br /><font color="yellow">We are all capable of looking and analyzing, it’s just speculation about the pictures from mars the moon, but when something that could be related to what we are looking for is here in our face it’s still poopoed away like it’s really a balloon. </font><br /><br />I'll take a look at your link after this post. However, while we are all capable of looking at pictures and rendering some sort of "analysis" that doesn't mean that we are all equally capable of rendering a correct analysis. People work long and hard, spend many years in institutions of higher learning, just to collect the basic skillset that allows them the ability to truly examine "pictures" and render an informed and knowledgeable judgment regarding them. Just because we can throw around photos and make claims does not mean that we are on equal terms with professionals in their field. Not by a longshot. But, when some accredited individual makes monumental leaps <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[pierround]

I know what the word pareidolia means.<br />I also know what a craft from the unknown looks like.<br />The power that they demonstrate will make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.<br /><br />I told you in a post back several pages about the sun dog I seen, I knew what I was seeing when I observed it, in the distant past I might have fell to my knees and started praying for resolution.<br />But I think we are all smarter than that now a days.<br /><br />Those pictures are nothing but toast and clouds not to be mistaken for anything else.<br />Pass the butter please.<br />Why would the holy toast be turned over for money?<br />When you get eggs with the toast they charge you for breakfast.<br />Then you get egg on your face.<br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[telfrow]

No, sorry, you're not going to get away with that one, my friend.<br /><br />You responded to A_L_P's post - <br /><br /><font color="yellow">Ah, things that look like other things. Is a piece of toast which has a burn mark on it that kind of looks like Elvis evidence of Elvis' omnipotence in reaching past the grave? Do clouds that look like elephants like peanuts?</font>-<br /><br /> with <br /><br /><font color="yellow">Straw man argument. Show me one that looks like that one.</font><br /><br />I did. The Elvis toast and a cloud that looks like an elephant.<br /><br />So you got your examples, as requested, meaning A_L_P made no "strawman argument."<br /><br />A retraction is in order. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - I also know what a craft from the unknown looks like. </font><br /><br />Really? What do they look like? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[pierround]

My known observations say that, they are lying to us all.<br /><br />What we are all looking for is very real.<br />Credible evidence from power such as they might possess can only come from them, which is physical evidence.<br />Unless what may be ruins in our solar system if that’s what they are, or remnants, those things if real might not be from the same source, which is a possibility and they, “the ones visitingâ€, have nothing to do with that.<br /><br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - I also know what a craft from the unknown looks like.</font><br /><br /><font color="orange">a_lost_packet_ - Really? What do they look like? </font><br /><br /><font color="yellow">pierreround - My known observations say that, they are lying to us all. </font><br /><br />OK. But, what do "craft from the unkown" look like? You say you know. You comment on your powers of observation. So, what do craft from the "unknown" look like? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[pierround]

Well let’s see you got two pieces of toast, to one crater with a straight line from one side connecting in the middle to the other side.<br />And I'll raise you one more UFO link. <br />A UFO at O'Hare? Some pilots thought so<br /><br />January 1, 2007<br /><br />CHICAGO --Federal officials say it was probably just some weird weather phenomenon, but a group of United Airlines employees swear they saw a mysterious, saucer-shaped craft hovering over O'Hare Airport last fall<br /><br /><br />The workers, some of them pilots, said the object didn't have lights and hovered over an airport terminal before shooting up through the clouds, according to a report in Monday's Chicago Tribune.<br /><br />http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/stories/ufos/story-latest <br />

 

[telfrow]

Please see my previous post. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - I also know what a craft from the unknown looks like.</font><br /><br /><font color="orange">a_lost_packet_ - Really? What do they look like?</font><br /><br />And not once, not twice but thrice I ask ye - "Really? What do they look like?" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[pierround]

Man I have been in the military and I have had bombs and weapons going off all around me.<br />But nothing will freak you more than one of these right up in front of your face.<br /><br />The demonstration of size and electrical power is unreal.<br />When you observe something like this you have to use all of your senses.<br />To make sure that you are seeing what you are seeing the shear size is spectacular.<br /><br />Shape is irrelevant.<br />There is no resistance in space and why it doesn’t affect the object in an atmosphere is really undeterminable, at least to me.<br />Everything I know says this can’t possibly fly.<br />A cube with running lights that was joined by a round red florescent red ball that docked but didn’t touch 3000 cubic feet of dead weight.<br />Stars in the back round that were blocked by its presents as it stood above the trees silent till it moved with an electrical hum.<br />Like it was clocked or had been blacked out but not.<br />So Obvious you couldn’t miss it.<br />Occupided by at least 20 small people if that's what you want to call them.<br /><br />I had to pick up the little woman so I will continue.<br /><br /> It was defiantly a machine It was a cube because when it did pass by I seen the corners <br />The surface was smooth, it had some portholes on it's side rather large and it's interior was lit up to an extent while it stood still but when it moved it went dimmer inside.<br />I could actually see them when they were standing montionless.<br />The kind of technology they possess would end any energy crises that we are experiencing.<br /> That’s why the big interest for one, for two there would be nowhere we could not go to in the known galaxy?<br />Since it was around twilight I can’t give more details except to say it was the most awesome thing I ever f***** seen!<br />If they wanted to start a war we are doomed.<br />This is why the secrecy.<br />I.M.H.O.<br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - The demonstration of size and electrical power is unreal. </font><br /><br />What electrical power? Unreal?<br /><br />Where did you see this thing and what were the circumstances?<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<i>Now go to the dark side and look at these craters.</i><br /><br />You can't see craters on the dark side of the Moon, because its... dark. You must mean the eliminated part of the Moon in the wonderful image you linked to: <br /><br />http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9903/northmoon_gal_big.jpg <br /><br /><i>Particularly the one, with the straight line going through it.</i><br /><br />There are lots of straight(ish) lines in that image. Whcih one(s) do you mean? Provide an annoteted image, please.<br /> <br /><i>Then there are a few that look like they have pyramid structures in them. <br />Not all but only a few. </i><br /><br />Again, please indicate them on an annoteted image. Most larger craters have central peaks in them, formed by istostatic rebound. It's a well understood process and relationship.<br /><br /><i>Why don’t all the craters have these anomalies in them most are barren and flat on the bottom?</i><br /><br />Size, age, and degree of infill. <br /><br />I don't want to sound rude, but this is elementary stuff, you could find this out for yourself by reading any introductory book on the Moon. If you spent as much time reading them as you did Hoagland you might actually know a bit about the Moon.<br /><br />Jon<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<i>They release information on such things only after blacking out the relevant parts they still want to hide from us, are you blind to all that? <br /><br />I never have seen so many sheep in all my life.</i><br /><br />Let's see in this thread you:<br /><br />Have failed to provide any evidence for information being "blacked out".<br /><br />Think that angular rocks on the Moon look like construction material.<br /><br />Allege that data gaps are evidence of glass towers.<br /><br />Don't understand how stratight lines can form in nature.<br /><br />Don't understand why some lunar craters have central peaks and some don't.<br /><br />Despite this fundamental igornance you believe every claim of Hoagland, skipper, and the rest without criticism.<br /><br />So who is the sheep here?<br /><br />Jon<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<i>If it’s a big slab of rock so be it, but what if it’s not?</i><br /><br />What is the evidence that it is not a big slab of rock?<br /> <br /><i>Knowledge is power would you share in today’s world?</i><br /><br />Yep.<br /><br /><i>I don’t trust the government as far as reveling that they are supreme, in our protection <br />Let alone that they are the supreme power over us. <br />They’ve got issues.</i><br /><br />Your opinion. What relevance has it to the subject in question?<br /><br />Jon<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[garfieldthecat]

Those drawings are from the first part of the century, and are compared to photos taken at the same time, at the Lick Obervatory. They were made by 3 different astronomers :Eugene Antoniadi, Robert Julius Trumpler, Earl Slipher (If you can zoom on the picture you’ll see the name of the astronomer and the date for each drawing).<br />Those guys were highly reputed astronomers and their other works were quite impressive (you’ll find a bio of each on wikipedia if you’re interested). That was just to show how purely visual interpretation can be subjective, even made by professional people <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br />

 

[MeteorWayne]

First link didn't work.<br /><br />Second one has been posted before, we didn't see anything then, and reposting it won't magically make anything appear. It's a blurry photo of the moon. So? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

First Link, yeah SETI@Home. What is your point? I've been running it on my computers for many years now. I feel it's a good thing to do with some of my spare cycles, in the hope we may someday detect a signal. Low chances, but unless you look, your odds of finding a signal are zero.<br /><br /><br />Did you read the caption for the 2nd one?<br /><br />"astronomers have identified in it many attributes characteristic of a man-made satellite in low Earth orbit."<br /><br />Third link. They straight lines are called "rays" they are ejecta from other craters. Big Whoop, they're all over the moon. It's what happens when a new impact throws out material over a preexisting mare.<br /><br />And you think this is all astounding evidence? Talk about a sheep! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Worse, to base your supposition on such inconsequantialities, yet refer to anyone with a healthy dose of "prove it" as "Sheep" is ludicrous. I enjoy the debate at times; the data is sorely absent. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Yeah I'm a prove it type.<br /><br />I must be baaaaaaaaad, he said sheepishly. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Could you please describe your encounter with a bit more coherence and a bit less "Wow IT WAS AMAZING" so we can understand it?<br /><br />Just describe what you saw, clearly, without all the assumptions about power sources and the technology they posess? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[pierround]

All my links work.<br />And there is not a blurry photo of the moon that I have posted anywhere.<br />So what are you saying that nasa gives us blurry photos?<br />Please link so I can see what you are talking about.<br />