Mars the anomalies The moon too.

[telfrow]

I think balloon photography is out simply because wet plate photography in the 1870's would have made it impossible.<br /><br />George Eastman didn't begin work on the dry plate until 1878 or so, and the first successful dry plate photo was taken until 1871.<br /><br />So either way, it looks like the photo is mis-labeled (mounted on a Glogh and Kimball viewing card) and mis-dated. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[yevaud]

A mis-date would explain it. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[bobw]

I think it is a gap in an ice covered pile of rocks about waist-high on the summit of Mt. Washington.<br /><br />Shortened link to picture<br /><br />link to 22 Clough & Kimball stereo photos<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

You found it! Nice job. Thanks. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bobw]

Thank you!<br /><br />"Nice job" coming from you is a real compliment, Data Dawg. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Question:<br /><br />I noticed the title is "Frost Architecture" and there are other photos in the sequence you referenced titled "Summit House, frost two feet high," " Portion of Chain, on Tip Top House, frost two feet in diameter," "Tip-top House, frost two feet thick," "Frost Covered Rocks," "Frost Sculpture."<br /><br />Frost seems to be the focus of many of the photos. And, considering the photo you've referenced is titled "Frost Architecture," could it be that we're looking at a close up of a pillar of frost somewhere on the summit and not clouds or snow? In that case, the "UFO" is very small and may only be something on the lens or imperfection on the plate. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bobw]

The whole summit has been in an ice storm. It is like the Statue of Liberty in the movie <i>The Day After Tomorrow</i>. You can see the snow in the background all the way to the next mound which is also on the summit. It isn't clouds. It is a pile of rocks with the gap for the top rock not completely filled in. Notice the other black gap to the right. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[telfrow]

I see what you mean. <br /><br />Thanks. Makes perfect sense. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Again, nice job, Bob.<br /><br />Now all you have to do is convince the guy mentioned on this site that the "craft" doesn't have a swastika on it.<br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /><br /><img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Has anyne noticed that the images appear to be a stero pair?<br /><br />If this is frost architecture then I agree, the white mounds are small, a few metres high at the most, possibly less. The sculpting by wind and crystallisation can be quite extreaordinarily beautiful. A popular subject for nature pgotographers today, still.<br /><br />No idea what the black object is, It looks to me like something on the surface of the ice. Debris perhaps? Something placed for scale?<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[lsbd]

Holy Moly...they found Noah's Ark!!!

 

[a_lost_packet_]

pierreround - I'd like you to take a close review of what has occurred since you presented those pictures. Especially, the one of Mt. Washington.<br /><br />Look at the process of discovery. First, the photo's authenticity was verified. It was tracked down and referenced from a reliable source. Further information was gleaned which discovered its true identity and history. Thus, the photo was verified as authentic and the full stereograph was found. (At least, as much as could be done in such a short time with limited resources.) The mislabeling of the photo was corrected. Then, analysis took place. The image was placed and a decent deduction of probable location along with a critique of the "structure/object" was made. Further information was gained which establishes that a structure was built on/near that location. Historical investigation, at first, did not yield fruit regarding the means by which the photo was taken. However, further investigation revealed that the means were available and some possible methods of taking a picture at altitude were already available. Further work needs to be done on verifying the camera type used to take this picture and it's operating limits. But, it's pretty obvious what is going on here, in general.<br /><br />While not strictly "science" this is a fairly clear example of how to logically examine information, verify it and investigate the possibilities. It's short, not very complex and would still need some fine-tuning. However, it's fairly damaging to any representation of that object being a "UFO." This is just one example of how someone should look at anything which requires serious study.<br /><br />The people in these forums will eat this kind of stuff for breakfast and tell you how many calories it has in it before they finish chewing. They will tear things like this apart and rebuild them just to find out what makes them tick. They will go to extreme lengths to verify information, establish authenticity and <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[pierround]

Very good.<br />Now what I get from that set of views is this,<br /><br /> Views taken on the summit of Mt. Washington during the winter of 1870-71 / by Clough & Kimball.<br /><br />They were on the summit looking down at a cloud, if you look in the back round there's another summit.<br /><br />I went to their list where it says pan and zoom and got these pairs of shots.<br /><br />Maybe one of you guys that have the abilities with pictures can superimpose the two together so we can get the stereo view.<br /><br /><br />

 

[pierround]

I assume we are looking down at a snow filled cloud, I swear it looks like a friggen tanker truck, but the right shot <br /><br />Link <br />

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">They were on the summit looking down at a cloud, if you look in the back round there's another summit. </font><br /><br />Uh, no. <br /><br />Good to see you completely missed the point of the whole exercise and the conclusions. It a rock covered in frost. Look at the other photos. That's what they were taking pictures of: frost. <br /><br />And shorten that link. Thanks. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

Never mind. I shortened it for you. <br /><br />But in the future, please shorten the links. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[pierround]

This is what it says.<br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Views taken on the summit of Mt. Washington during the winter of 1870-71 / by Clough & Kimball. <br /><p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Thanks I see how to agian.<br />No I understand you guys did good research.<br /><br />It was a veiw from the summit.<br />That's what I gather. <br />Why would they go to the summit and take pictures of frost on the ground?<br />I am assuming it's a winter shot at the landscape below the summit. <br />There seems to be another summit in the backround to the right.

 

[telfrow]

Look at the titles from the NYPL site. The photo is called <b>Frost Architecture</b>. <br /><br />Clough and Kimball labeled the photos. <br /><br />And they labeled other photos in the sequence "Summit House, <b>frost</b> two feet high," " Portion of Chain, on Tip Top House, <b>frost</b> two feet in diameter," "Tip-top House, <b>frost</b> two feet thick," "<b>Frost</b> Covered Rocks," and "<b>Frost</b> Sculpture."<br /><br />They were photographing <b>frost</b> on and near the summit of Mt. Washington. <br /><br />Why photograph <b>frost</b>? Because it was 1871 and many people had never seen the summit. Because photographers today still take pictures of <b>frost</b> structures.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[pierround]

I believe your right on this one and I bow to you intellect.<br />It might be a case of misinformation.<br />I can see that the mountains in the background aren't tall enough to give the vantage point to be able to take photographs above any clouds of the size that can give such perspective.<br />I'm downloading a program from that site as we speak; I hope it will blend the left side with the right.<br />I'm not sure but if it does I will examine the object just to see if any more details can be gleaned from it.<br /><br />People still report seeing the cigar shape objects in our skies and I will see if there is a more modern image of one taken with better equipment.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

 

[JonClarke]

Here is an analgypth.<br /><br />The black object appears to be real and on resting on the surface of the frost mound. Still no idea what it is. if the photographer was a geologist I'd say it was something put there for scale.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Spit, here it is <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<i>Yes the right side.</i><br /><br />The right side of the image is dark.<br /><br />http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9903/northmoon_gal_big.jpg <br /><br />I think you mean the left side.<br /><br /><br /><i>Actually I haven't read much about Hoagland or Skipper. </i><br /><br />But you seem more familiar with what they claim than basic astronomy. <br /><br /><i>Wrong, I still look and question what they have to say also/</i><br /><br />Where did you critically evaluate what they said?<br /><br /><i>My perception is, that it is possible only through what I have experienced in real life right here on this planet. </i><br /><br />We are not talking about this planet though, we are talking about the Moon and Mars. Terrestrial experience will mislead you if applied uncritically.<br /><br /><i>The records such as History from the most earliest of writings also is documentations that cohobates these assumptions.</i><br /><br />I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Please me more specific.<br /><br /><i>There's only one crater in that picture that has a horizontal line in it, and as an ignorant person I was able to immediately pick it out. <br />As far as ejecta those are obvious too. </i><br /><br />Horizontal compared to what? ther surface of the Moon? the bottom of the image? For the second time please provided an annotated image so we can see what you are referring to.<br /><br /><i>I’m saying it’s strange compared to all of the other craters. <br />It looks like it could be construction.</i><br /><br />Why is it strange? Why does it look under construction?<br /><br /><i> don’t want to be condescending but your spelling can use some work.</i><br /><br />I know <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br /><i>I read that’s why I am able to pick out what stands out.</i><br /><br />Read what?<br /> <br /><i>Let me see if I can crop the image.</i><br /><br />You do that.<br /><br />Jon<b></b> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[pierround]

I don't mean to get into all this, but if they are here, “others", the assumptions are that they could be there too, in our solar system.<br /><br />I'll have to write Matt and tell him about his photo.<br />I don’t have the tools to compress the cropped photos.<br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p><br />The records such as History from the most earliest of writings also Has documentations that cohobates these assumptions.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Should have been has.<br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p> But you seem more familiar with what they claim than basic astronomy.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />I’m familiar with both sides and take nothing for granted, my own experiences are something else though, and it allows me to ride the fence on the cases of ET.<br /><br />These are some of the examples out there.<br /><br /><br />This shape has been seen many times and resembles what might be on the backside of the moon.<br /><br />http://www.ufoevidence.org/Cases/CaseView.asp?section=Cigar<br /><br />http://www.iwasabducted.com/raulgarza/monterrey080298.htm<br /><br />Newest one.<br /> Aurigny Airlines captain Ray Bowyer, 50, reported seeing two cigar-shaped objects each up to a mile wide in the sky near Guernsey.<br />On spying the first object, Mr Bowyer said: "It was a very sharp, thin yellow object with a green area. It was 2,000ft up and stationary. <br />"I thought it was about 10 miles away, although I later realised it was approximately 40 miles from us. At first, I thought it was the size of a [Boeing] 737. <br /><br />http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1271821,00.html<br /><br />INTRODUCTION: Some UFOs my in fact be a dimensional doorway, or, wormhole into anot

 

[bobw]

If you have Windows you have the "paint" program. It is clumsy but you can crop and save with it.<br /><br />Open the big Moon picture with Paint<br /><br />Using the select tool drag a rectangle around the crater<br /><br />Right click in the dotted rectangle and pick "Copy"<br /><br />In the upper left corner click the "File" menu and pick "New"<br /><br />The trick here is to go to the "Image" menu and pick "Attributes" Chose a small size like 10X10. If you don't make the attributes small then the default background will be part of the picture and that is pretty big.<br /><br />Now from the "Edit" menu pick "Paste" The image will resize to fit the part you copied from the big moon picture. <br /><br />Next using the "File" menu pick "Save As"<br /><br />Navigate the directory deal to your desktop, name the file "Moon Crop" or something and at the bottom select .JPG file type. It will be a lot smaller file than the whole Moon picture. Attatch that one to a post.<br /><br />I am eager to see the crater because I can't find a single one on the whole original that has a horizontal line through it. No kidding, I guess I am stupid or something. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[yevaud]

As easy is to use (assuming you have it) MS Office Picture Manager. Just open the image, select "Edit Images," then "resize" or "crop," depending. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>