Mars the anomalies The moon too.

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">All of them were excellent and then there is the one that brings up the question is it missing data or deliberate?</font><br /><br />Examples please. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[bobw]

<font color="yellow">They can do any thing. </font><br /><br />I have found that it is primarily the movers and shakers of the woowoo community who are doing it. The UFO was a plie of rocks, the line was just a low resolution, view of something more mundane. The towers, glass worms and cities are not towers, glass worms or cities either. No matter how good things get there will always be some group of pixels below the Nyquist limit that hucksters can tout as the new outrage.<br /><br />The data probably isn't missing. I was looking at Clementine map version 1.5, Jon's link was for version 2.0 and that virtual moon website has the latest Clementine database for 500 meter resolution. The navy probably doesn't have the money to keep the viewing software database current, why bother? Private parties are giving away better viewers for free and their pictures don't seem to be missing anything. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[zenonmars]

Luckily, for us space mavens, the technology just keeps getting better! <br /><br />Long-live "The People's Camera" !!! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

roflcopterz...<br /><br />Are you trying to show an example of how images can be dissimilar yet someone can claim them as having similarities?<br /><br />By the way, what is that image in response to? What purpose does that link and image serve? How is it a response to bobw?<br /><br />I think you're just inserting it to be distracting or to publicize yet another bit of intellectually confusing reasoning. But, you can eliminate those assumptions by explaining how that post is a response to bobw or anyone/anything else in this thread. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[yevaud]

Jon:<br /><br />Alt-Print Screen. Then save to Paint. Save the paint image as a .jpg.<br /><br />Simple. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Thanks! <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

*Oog* Sorry, I was at the wrong end of a 17-hour death shift when I posted that; damned tired. What I meant was: Alt-Print Screen. Then PASTE to Paint, then save as a .jpg.<br /><br />Sorry. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[pierround]

Ok here’s the latest one out of ten that I looked at.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09431.jpg<br /><br />All of them are good till this one.<br /><br />From this page.<br /><br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars<br /><br />Taken from here the main page.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/index.html<br /><br />If you’re going to eliminate something this is the best way forget airbrushing.<br />It could be anything though, solar flare interferences from here.<br />I find it suspicious.<br />Any way I was looking for something else from here and there are more to look at. <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br />

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Ok here’s the latest one out of ten that I looked at.</font><br /><br />This?<br /><br />Data drop out. It happens all the time. Check the MER site sometime. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[vladimage]

interesting thread. <br /><br />its like people refute these findings to great length because they are not happy with the idea thre are other people covering up these thing to keep them fromt hem. they dont want anything on those pics to be remotely true because it would make them, somehow feel insignificant. <br /><br />what is so far fetched about the idea of unknown bases on the moon or mars. what if you are not the only intelligent life form in this galaxy, you would crumble inside because the goverment or black ops governments systematically has been able to keep you all in the dark? i could give a<i>***Intentional Bypassing of the Profanity Filter Deleted***</i> less... they dont affect my life in any way shape or form. <br />

 

[billslugg]

Alien bases on the Moon or Mars are far fetched because of the extreme distances between possible civilizations in our galaxy. It is possible that bases are there. What is needed to prove it are some photos showing intelligently designed structures. Unfortunately, the photos provided as evidence are too fuzzy. <br /><br />If you claim that the photos exist, but are covered up, that does not prove the case. If you claim that skeptics refute the claims because we are unhappy or afraid of feeling insignificant, that does not prove the case. Only photos of clearly intelligently designed structures will prove the case. Those photos have not been provided. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p> </p><p> </p> </div>

 

[pierround]

First you must consider that there might be other means that they have to get around.<br /><br />http://www.uforc.com/religion/AF-journal2_UFORCE_p54.html<br /><br />I have some interesting stuff for tomorrow.<br />If they even needed a base they may not need them now perhaps several thousands of years have passed and what we might find they have abandoned thousands of years ago.<br />Who knows how far advanced they are now.<br />Look at our history in the last 100 years.<br /><br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

From the link: <br /><br /><i>"We are living in what is considered the 3rd dimension of space and time. In the 4th dimension, there would be another dimensional property added."</i><br /><br />Actually, our Universe is comprised of three spatial dimensions and one time dimension. So, as the writer describes it, I don't think he is being technically correct.<br /><br />But, I'm not saying that some sort of travel as described would be impossible. I'm just commenting that the author should probably rephrase his words. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

<i>its like people refute these findings to great length because they are not happy with the idea thre are other people covering up these thing to keep them fromt hem.</i><br /><br />Not at all. We are well aware that there are areas of classified information in many subjects. The evidence for such information being withheld is very straight forward.<br /><br />There is no evidence whatsoever that science information from deep space missions has been or is being withheld. if you know of such evidence, present here for scrutiny, please.<br /><br /><i> they dont want anything on those pics to be remotely true because it would make them, somehow feel insignificant.</i><br /><br />this is pure speculation on your part, and erroneous speculation at that. I am well aware there are many space mission launched by various militaries which are high classified and I know next to nothing about them. This does not make me feel insignificant in the slightest.<br /><br />The issue is whether there is any evidence of withholding of data from deep space mission to the Moon and Mars, or elsewhere. So far none has been provided. How I or anybody else feel about it is irrelevant. <br /><br /><i>what is so far fetched about the idea of unknown bases on the moon or mars. </i><br /><br />In itself. nothing. Such a discovery would be very interesting. But in an era when we have abundant imagery available the question is, once again, what evidence is there for such bases. We are not talking about speculation or fiction, but verifiable scientific observations. So far not one shread of viable evidence has come up.<br /><br /><i>what if you are not the only intelligent life form in this galaxy, you would crumble inside because the goverment or black ops governments systematically has been able to keep you all in the dark?</i><br /><br />Why should I crumble inside if intelligent life were discovered elsewhere in the universe? Why would this happen if I discovered it had been known for some decades an <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[pierround]

This is interesting,<br />Martian Clouds Pass By on a Winter Afternoon.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars?start=270<br /><br />The last picture Zen posted is similar to this,<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09586.jpg<br /><br />There are some strange things in this one and even they have a question mark next to this.<br /><br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09589.jpg<br /><br />Panoramic view which show splicing.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA00005.jpg<br /><br />Thermal image of the South Pole.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09226.jpg<br /><br />Deep hole in Olympus Mons<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09128.jpg<br /><br />

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Panoramic view which show splicing.</font><br /><br />Yes, it's a <i>composite</i>.<br /><br /><i>"An oblique, color image of central Valles Marineris, Mars showing relief of Ophir and Candor Chasmata; view toward north. The photograph is a composite of Viking high-resolution images in black and white and low-resolution images in color. Ophir Chasma on the north is approximately 300 km across and as deep as 10 km. The connected chasma or valleys of Valles Marineris may have formed from a combination of erosional collapse and structural activity. Tongues of interior layered deposits on the floor of the chasmata can be observed as well as young landslide material along the base of Ophir Chasma's north wall."</i><br /><br />Link <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">There are some strange things in this one and even they have a question mark next to this.</font><br /><br />Calling a structure "unusual" isn't putting a question mark next to it. It means what it says: it's an unusual feature. <br /><br />"Unusual" doesn't mean it's artificial - it means it's not all that common. Jon can weigh in on this one.<br /><br />Unusual Structure on Crater Rim in West Utopia Planitia <br /><br /><i>Edited for clarity.</i> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[pierround]

There are some strange things in this one and even they have a question mark next to this.<br /><br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09589.jpg<br /><br />Get the larger version which should be this.<br /> <br /><br />All the things in that photo this is the only symmetrical thing there.<br />Not effected by wind or erosion like the bigger mounds that show the regloth on top, (overburden) there’s a few other things there that are unusual.<br />To bad we just can’t hop into a conveyance and go there for a closer look, make a day of it. <br />

 

[pierround]

Natural or real?<br />Again similar to what Zen on Mars posted in reference to archeology or ruins.<br />Same area what we would call footers for buildings?<br />

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

<font color="yellow">... there’s a few other things there that are unusual. </font><br /><br /><br />Yes, like the part I've "enhanced" below ! <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /><br /><br /><br />All kidding aside, what do you find so "unusual" that it would seem to be unnatural ? I see a degree of assymetry in the image section you culled out. I find it interesting for it's flat top, less so for it's almost round shape. <br /><br /><font color="yellow">To bad we just can’t hop into a conveyance and go there for a closer look, make a day of it. </font><br /><br />You'll get very little disagreement on the merits of travelling vehicles to explore other planets ! Just a question of how to best prioritize what should be looked at first. Rovers are fine but I say bring on the remote air vehicles (hoppers) ! {dreams aloud} <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

<span><b>"Oh my Gawd! Shac Oneil has been on MARS!"</b></span><br /><br />*This has been an Uplink Comedy Moment. We now return you to your regularly scheduled Thread.* <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[pierround]

Cute, another ***<i>Ad Hominem Deleted</i>***<br /><br />Not only is it flat, but also, I like the design on the top.<br /><br />

 

[Mee_n_Mac]

Oh Oh I've been outed. Now I'll never make special agent, 2'nd class, Bozo Squad. Time to turn in my floppy shoes and tennis ball nose.<br /><br />My point is that people see patterns in all sorts of things. We pick out oddities. It's what we do. I just don't see how one goes from that to saying they're evidence of something non-natural. Your almost round, flat top "mesa" sticks out but ... so what. For all I know it was formed in a fashion similar to those we see here on Earth. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[pierround]

Yes and when we do it here from space we find that similar areas wind up being hidden sites of interest.<br />Why not on Mars? Patterns are being proven correct some times by new technology.<br />Link to ZenonMars photo of hidden archeology, taken from orbit.<br /><br /> link <br />

 

[pierround]

Things have been covered up by pummeling from many different collisions in many eras and now are being uncovered by the strange weathering and high winds.<br />This is a strong possibility.<br />The circular object seems pretty durable though.<br /><br />The obelisk shouldn’t be in this picture so I have to wonder what's under the other mesas?<br />They seem to have major ruble on top and the nature there, of the planet, would take much longer to uncover.<br />Ruble, sand, blasted out of a crater would fall randomly in different spots.<br />Bits and pieces should be exposed, as I believe this is what is seen in this photo.<br /> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09589.jpg