Mars the anomalies The moon too.

[Mee_n_Mac]

You're seeing an obelisk where I see none. Honestly I find the flat top roundish mesa more intriguing. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p>-----------------------------------------------------</p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask not what your Forum Software can do do on you,</font></p><p><font color="#ff0000">Ask it to, please for the love of all that's Holy, <strong>STOP</strong> !</font></p> </div>

 

[3488]

I agree Mee_n_Mac.<br /><br />There is no obelisk. That roundish mesas are interesting geological, no sorry, aerological<br />(being Mars) feature.<br /><br />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[pierround]

Everyone is entitled to there opinion.<br /><br />More holes in Mars, from a lava field.<br /><br /> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09067.jpg<br /><br />More signs of water.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09572.jpg<br /><br />Bottom of a crater, I have no idea what this is?<br />Could be boulders or airbrushing at it’s finest?<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09573.jpg<br /><br /><br />This is one strange planet the Northern plains.<br />Looks like there are many holes or sink hole openings some small impacts but not all.<br />And one strange object could it be a sand pit or a bright object or a hole with light emanating from it?<br />Taken from here.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09553.jpg<br /><br /><br />

 

[pierround]

Possibly an oblisk like this.<br />

 

[qso1]

pierround:<br />Yes and when we do it here from space we find that similar areas wind up being hidden sites of interest. <br />Why not on Mars? Patterns are being proven correct some times by new technology.<br /><br />Me:<br />Proven patterns I assume you mean patterns on Earth have been spotted by earth orbiting satellites and proven to be artificial on the ground. If my assumption is correct, we cannot do the same for mars features until we can get some eyes on the ground to verify whats been sighted in orbit unless it is clearly a case of artificiality that is observable from orbit such as earthly cities would be if we saw such cities on mars.<br /><br />So far, I have seen some compelling stuff from images of mars but nothing so compelling as to lead me to conclude it can only be an artificial ETI construct. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

pierround:<br />This is one strange planet the Northern plains.<br /><br />Me:<br />I'd like to see this one closer up because it looks almost like a hotspot. A hotspot results from something reflecting the sunlight back to the imager at higher levels than the imaging system can handle.<br /><br />In Google images, these can occasionaly be seen as hotspots off building rooftops which are accompanied by spikes where the data has presumably been saturated off scale. <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[qso1]

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09553.jpg<br /><br />In that image, I assume your talking about the rounded feature near the lower left in the image. This would be one of those compelling features that I mentioned earlier. I'd also mentioned that if we saw cities, we could probably conclude artificiality from orbit. And in fact we probably would have to in order to ensure any landing party is not met with hostility should the city still be inhabited.<br /><br />I'm not suggesting this is a city...its an isolated object which makes it difficult to conclude its actual nature.<br /><br />In this particular case, the feature will probably be explained by people with much more geological experience than I have. If not, then this becomes one of those features that should be imaged several times under differing conditions. If that doesn't make a strong enough case...send out the human martian expedition. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

Big flat rock? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[bobw]

Looking at the catalog page for PIA09553.jpg says it comes from PSP_001474_2520. That Page shows the picture sort-of upside down. I found another one here that was taken one minute later Mars time at only 0.1 degrees farther north. It looks like ice in a crater. I have a feeling that may be the case for yours, too. That's my guess about it anyway. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Some context information.<br /><br />PIA09067: THEMIS visible image, Cerberus region http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/?IDNumber=PIA09067<br /><br />Comment - very nice lava flows. The large "hole" could be a collpased lava cave, but the smaller ones have diffuse boundaries and may be craters with drak halos. There are sorts of possibilities there.<br /><br />PIA09572: HiRISE image of slope streaks in Terra Sabaea http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/?IDNumber=PIA09572<br /><br />Comment - most people think these are dust slides, not water. Note the very smooth, bright and mantled appearance of the surface.<br /><br />PIA09573: HiRISE image of ice in high latitude northern http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/?IDNumber=PIA09573<br /><br />Comment. This is an image of the crater in the justly famous and exquistely beautiful Mars Express image http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMGKA808BE_0.html . Not sure why anyone would see airbrushing in this image, but there are three distinct surfaces, smooth mantled terrain, water ice, and dark sand dunes.<br /><br />PIA09553 HiRISE image of the northern plains (71 degrees N) during summer. http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/?IDNumber=PIA09553<br /><br />Comment - given the latitude my guess is that the bright spot is an ice remnant. If we are lucky Phoenix will show things lik this in close up.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[qso1]

A more plausible explanation than an artificial construct for this particular feature. Ice would explain the sharp contrast between the small circular top and surrounding area. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><strong>My borrowed quote for the time being:</strong></p><p><em>There are three kinds of people in life. Those who make it happen, those who watch it happen...and those who do not know what happened.</em></p> </div>

 

[pierround]

I can't look at all of them I'm at about 300 or so there is about 5,000 to go and they go back I assume through several missions. The last few are from Odyssey I believe.<br /><br />Taken from here, where I left off.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars?start=290<br /><br />I’m going back in time till I find one in particular that I believe is a statue.<br />I found it several years ago.<br />Most of these are rather normal but I’m finding out that one in ten raises the question of a possible extinction not only of it’s capability to support life in the past but of something even more extraordinary.<br />I find investigating with available means quite fun.<br /><br />

 

[telfrow]

Okay, I'll bite. Which one has a "statue" in it? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[pierround]

I have to look for it; it's going to take time.<br />Along the way looking at these remarkable pictures I'll post what ever else I find.<br />I can look at about twenty and I skip some of them but when I see the features of the terrain again I will know it's the one.<br />I kept a copy but lost it, so now I have to look through thousands of pictures, but that’s ok, there are a lot of other things I’m finding out, that are unusual.<br /><br /><br />

 

[telfrow]

So you found a picture of a "statue" once and didn't save it? <br /><br />Can't remember where you found it? Must not have seemed all that important at the time... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[pierround]

Lightning fried my hard drive, motherboard and disappeared it. <br />It's in here, at J.P.L..

 

[pierround]

These photos are from the northern plans.<br />This may be ancient sea bottom and what we are looking at maybe what was left there is symmetry as in wave action or possibly reefs.<br />There are impacts that are from very small meteorite and some appear to be openings.<br /> Some of these are large impacts that have raised the surrounding areas up into the air.<br />There are these black spots that may now be some form of growth as they are concentrated along these high spots and where outflows of water occur and access to water would be is easy.<br />Just me speculating.<br /><br />The first one I found.<br /><br /> http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09552.jpg<br /><br />The next one notice the dark lines also.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09538.jpg<br /><br />Could these be footers verses sea bottom?<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09542.jpg<br /><br /><br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09541.jpg<br /><br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09537.jpg<br /><br />Reminds me of mold on a cantaloupe notice the black lines like wind may be moving this stuff around or are these roads?<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09550.jpg<br /><br /><br />From this page I got this.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09051.jpg<br /><br />Taken from here.<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mar

 

[pierround]

This is a picture of mesas northern planes.<br /><br />Taken from here,<br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09527.jpg<br /><br />Seems to have a cavern.<br /><br />

 

[pierround]

Up from there there’s this object. <br />It makes me wonder how hollow and how many openings there might be.<br />And what are some of these things that seem to stick out and are noticable.<br />

 

[pierround]

This picture for the beauty of it.<br />If we ever get there we will need some of the best all terrain vehicles invented, they will have to be able to get airborne too.<br />

 

[MeteorWayne]

Uhhh, Rocks? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[yevaud]

That's simple plastic deformation, and not unknown at all in crater formation. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[JonClarke]

Quick comments on the HiRISE images<br /><br />PIA09552: Typical northern plains with the rough possibly due to volatile sublimation.<br /><br /> <br />PIA09538: Nice example of "thumbprint" terrain, probably a patterned ground phenomena like in the terrestrial arctic. Not sure what you mean by "dark lines" - ay be the two things that look like dust devil trails?<br /><br />PIA09542: Do you mean building footers? If so, why to you think they might be artificial? What indicators are there of artificiality that makes you reject the many natural and likely ways to generate low circular mounds like relief inversion of small craters, ice diapirs, pingos etc?<br /><br />PIA09541: Ditto<br /><br />PIA09537: Bland as only the northern plains can be.<br /><br />PIA09550: The basic texture does look like a cantaloupe! But the dark markings are dust devil streaks. They are present in many, many images of Mars, change over time and we have seen them in the process of being formed. <br /><br />PIA09051: This is a THEMIS image, so much lower resolution. This crater is several km across and the crater walls are slumping. What you are seeing is a slump block. Other have pointed out the flow lines suggesting plastic flow, probably from ice. Did you notice the magnificent gullies?<br /><br />If you are going to look through larger numbers of Mars images I suggest you get a copy of Bill Hartmann's "A traveller's guide to Mars." It is a really excellent guide (pre 2004 missions unfortunately) to what is known and what is not known about Mars. It explains a lot of the common and less common features seen in images and places them in the context of Mars history and in the history of exploration. Bill Hartmann is something of a renaissance man - scientist, writer, artist - and this book is invaluable, easy to read and easy to browse through, with a understated humour and wit.<br /><br />Jon <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>

 

[pierround]

<br />The Northern plans might not be so bland up close.<br />Some of what I'm seeing looks like the ancient sea corals.<br />I forget the name right now.<br />I see if I can find Bill Hartmanns' book. <br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Do you mean building footers? If so, why to you think they might be artificial? What indicators are there of artificiality that makes you reject the many natural and likely ways to generate low circular mounds like relief inversion of small craters, ice diapirs, pingos etc? <br /><p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Because these are things that suddenly stand out.<br />These are the sites I would investigate.<br />The northern plans do look natural and resemble certain building characteristics and you can tell they are not.<br />But they also resemble the bottoms of oceans that have had wave action.<br />Or it could be very bland and you are right.<br /><br /><br /><br />Well I have looked at miles of terrain and this particular area most defiantly shows some archeological signs, there is no doubt and the scale is correct.<br />It resembles what I posted about the northern plans which I believe was caused by ancient sea action which I believe is also similar to what footers of buildings look like.<br /><br />That makes it hard to pick out the right building sites if they exsist. This area also has domes and other pyramid structures in it too. Here’s the link for the whole shot.<br /><br /><br />http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA09508.jpg<br /><br />The cropped picture has what I think is a coliseum and this area looks very much like what we find in Mexico and South America.<br />If there is no doubt about the meteorite that was found in Antarctica that came from Mars which contained microbes then life could of actually developed there first and was wiped out by all the upheavals many times over and over that makes it difficult to find traces of

 

[pierround]

So far there's this.