Mars the anomalies The moon too.

[yevaud]

I try to control my anger when participating in Phenomena. I can't afford to keep replacing PCs after I shoot them. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Differential Diagnosis:  </em>"<strong><em>I am both amused and annoyed that you think I should be less stubborn than you are</em></strong>."<br /> </p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

Well, if you make it that long, there's a total solar eclipse in the US.<br />I hope to make it that far <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /><br /><br /> check it out! Aug 21, 2017 <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[telfrow]

<font color="yellow">Well, you got me there, I was born in '52.</font><br /><br />You young whippersnappers. <img src="/images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <br /><br />1950. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <strong><font color="#3366ff">Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yeild.</font> - <font color="#3366ff"><em>Tennyson</em></font></strong> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

dfrank: <font color="yellow"> Why does NASA classify images? </font><br /><br />Which images are classified? Can you give us some image numbers?<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> Why are all the MRO images shown in grayscale </font><br /><br />They aren’t. But to understand the “color†of images, you have to look at the range of sensitivity of the camera, and which, if any, filters are being used for a particular image.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> and the hi-def images so large that 99% of the public cant down-load them. </font><br /><br />My computer is 8 years old and I can download any of those images.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> Is color important? Does it mean anything to a human? </font><br /><br />It can, depending upon what the color represents. If I showed you a photo of a blue man with a green coat, would you be surprised to find he was an ordinary Caucasian man wearing a yellow coat, illuminated by a blue light?<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Age can help you cut through the crap, thats about all, I cut through alot. Hope i can help you guys cut through a little.<br /><br />Dfrank

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - Just because A_lost_packet says that it was a point being made with humor, more like absurdity, it does nothing to show me that it was justified or any one else in here reading my thread.<br />I feel it got a bit personal being making fun of my posting using a cooking pot in reply images to me. If you are a dude, why you cooking anyway? There is no justification for making fun of someone who is posting out of image interests and have all those others patting ALP on the back like a bunch of conspirators and that’s exactly what it looks like! </font><br /><br />Hold on for a moment.<br /><br />I wasn't trying to "make fun" of you. If you were insulted, then I sincerely apologize. That was not my intent. If I wanted to insult someone, I can do so far more efficiently and with much greater results. Seriously, I was not trying to insult you.<br /><br />But, do you understand my point in those posts? The only difference between those posts and the ones I have seen on this thread receiving an assumptive analysis as having contained "structures" is that those are pics of Mars while mine are pics of mashed potatoes. That is the only difference. Do you understand what I'm getting at with those posts? As in many of my posts that contain pictures, seemingly non-related stories or comments, there is a much deeper meaning. I am not being self-gratifying here. I'm trying to present an instructive message with a twist of humor.<br /><br />A post with a picture of Mars with a declaration that a feature which "looks like" an artificial structure but contains no real analysis, no comparative data, no established relationships within the realm of scientific inquiry or knowledge and no logical train of thought is very similar to a picture of a bowl of mashed potatoes with the same claim. The only difference is one of location and subject, not one of reasoning or merit.<br /><br />That is my point. One can post pictures and draw all sorts <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

1947. That ship I came in on crashed somewhere in New Mexico. Fortunately, it was a rental and I had taken the optional insurance. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">pierreround - If you are a dude, why you cooking anyway? </font><br /><br />Not sure why that was being addressed to MeteorWayne. But, I assume you're referring to me and the pics of mashed potatoes.<br /><br />Well, since you're so hot on being a "real man" and taking people into an alley, I'd suggest you also remember that being a "real man" has a lot to do with taking care of yourself. That means you learn to cook your own food. I also wash my own clothes too. Occasionally, I bathe and even wipe with toilet paper after certain bodily functions have concluded in the restroom. I've even been known to go shopping for my own clothes, toothpaste and hair-care products. Being a "real man" is more than just puffing up your chest. A "real man" knows this. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Mental Avenger,<br /><br />Which images are classified? Can you give us some image numbers?<br /><br />Read my friend<br /><br />dfrank: and the hi-def images so large that 99% of the public cant down-load them. <br /><br />My computer is 8 years old and I can download any of those images. <br /><br />Who are you? Do you consider the world around you<br /><br />dfrank: Is color important? Does it mean anything to a human? <br /><br />It can, depending upon what the color represents. If I showed you a photo of a blue man with a green coat, would you be surprised to find he was an ordinary Caucasian man wearing a yellow coat, illuminated by a blue light? <br /><br />You just showed your mental age. Don’t converse if you aint up to it.<br /><br />I like it,<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">ddfrank - my goal is 112, dont ask me why.</font><br /><br />Well, it's probably a better goal than just 30. Having such a goal may be one of the reasons you're still alive today. <img src="/images/icons/wink.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

dfrank: <font color="yellow"> This is something I read a while back, in what place I can not remember. </font><br /><br />They say that the first thing to go is your memory, and the second thing to go is………. uh…… I forget.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> It was in context to the face image I believe. Someone had to sneak the photo out. It had been tucked away in a folder. </font><br /><br />The photos are on digital media, and they are not photos in the original form, but raw data. There is a great deal of processing between that stage and an actual photo. Unlikely that it would have been sneaked out in a folder.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> Adequate is an opinion I guess. False color and grayscale are not adequate to me. </font><br /><br />False color is actually necessary for us to be able to see many of the images. Remember, all the Hubble images are false (adjusted) color.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> Why yes I can. The visible light spectrum, my favorite. Humans live in this realm. Visible is what is visible to you. We see as we do for survival. I care nothing about what a fly would see. </font><br /><br />But the cameras aboard the spacecraft don’t usually see in the same electromagnetic range that we do. The whole point of some of the images is to determine composition. That is often done in the IR range. If you are interested, I can supply the technical details of the Odyssey2001 cameras.<br /><br />Welcome to Space.com Uplink.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> A human could not comprehend the colors of boiling liquid carbon on the surface of the sun, but it has them. </font><br /><br />Although on Earth, carbon cannot be heated to more than 2500°C (yellow) without vaporizing, in the Sun the pressures could allow melting (3550°C) (3823.15° K)and boiling (4827°C) (5100.15° K), well within our visual perception range.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> We can s</font> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

dfrank: <font color="yellow"> Read my friend </font><br /><br />I did. All I saw was speculation. Since you made the insinuated claim, it is incumbent upon you to provide the data to back it up.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> Who are you? Do you consider the world around you </font><br /><br />Virtually any computer purchased since then should also be capable of downloading those images (or the data to construct them). That would mean the probably at least half of the public (with computers) could download them easily. Probably more.<br /><br />dfrank: <font color="yellow"> You just showed your mental age. Don’t converse if you aint up to it. </font><br /><br />No need to be rude. I just presented a good example of the relevance of color. It is relevant to your comments, and relevant to the discussion. See my comments on the orbiter cameras for clarification.<br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Mental Avenger,<br /><br />Slow down. Let’s take it step at the time. Sorry for the offense. Put one item on the table at a time.<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[mental_avenger]

That is why I list each comment I am responding to separately, and highlight the quote in yellow for clarity. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Mental Avenger,<br /><br />Ok, let me go back. Stand by to stand by. A friend of mine at Pearl Harbor use to say that, lol, sailors.<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[dfrank]

dfrank: This is something I read a while back, in what place I can not remember. <br /><br />They say that the first thing to go is your memory, and the second thing to go is………. uh…… I forget.<br /><br />Well that’s the first thing I read from you and it reminded me of why I was rude. If you would like to follow along and learn that is ok with me.<br /><br />I’m not a young’in<br /><br />Dfrank<br /><br />

 

[mental_avenger]

That was not meant as an insult, but rather as humor. Notice that it illustrates that it is <i>I</i> who cannot remember. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

If you have something to teach me, I will learn. But I might have something to teach you also. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Son, <br /><br />If you don’t learn anything from this old man learn this. Everything you say and everything you do is communication to someone else. Covert or overt it is all the same. That master’s degree is coming in handy.<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[a_lost_packet_]

<font color="yellow">dfrank - Son, </font><br /><br />While I can appreciate the use of the word, it doesn't normally appear in internet posts as a term of endearment. However, it has been used many times as derogatory word with plausible deniability attached to it. Unintended interpretations could result.<br /><br />You continue to reinforce your age in each post. Why don't we leave off the flavor of an appeal to experience or age and move forward with the conversation. Unless, of course, you have a particular reason you wish to reinforce an assumption of advanced age? Why is that, hmm? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <font size="1">I put on my robe and wizard hat...</font> </div>

 

[mental_avenger]

100% the responsibility of the sender, 100% the responsibility of the receiver etc., etc., etc.…. yadda, yadda, yadda…. so tell us something that virtually everyone here doesn’t already know.<br /><br />BTW, was that a master’s degree in sarcasm? <br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p style="margin-top:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in" class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2" color="#ff0000"><strong>Our Solar System must be passing through a Non Sequitur area of space.</strong></font></p> </div>

 

[dfrank]

Well;<br /><br />I don’t know what it would be like to be this old and try and communicate with you guys. I feel good and my doctor says I can do what I want. <br /><br />Maybe you got to be 95 to call someone son, I have no idea. I’m glade to be here. I can hold my on. Sorry if I have been disrespectful. I have seen so much. I tend to think of everyone as junior, I wonder why?<br /><br />Please forgive.<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[pierround]

I retracted my statment about sock puppets.<br />But the next time you insult each other in here please specify with all of the links. Baiting isn't cool either.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Son, <br /><br />If you don’t learn anything from this old man learn this. Everything you say and everything you do is communication to someone else. Covert or overt it is all the same.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br /><br />They haven't learned that DFrank.<br /><br />In my 53 years I have seen the things that the government is de-bunking and it's defiantly not one of ours.<br />Especially when there are five witnesses that see exactly what each other see.<br />If any one government had those capabilities, we would all be under one flag and that is what they fear the most losing their jobs their power and God forbid that a person who isn’t controlled by our government should make a discovery.<br />Most of the pictures with missing data streams are the ones I look at the hardest.<br />There is most always something else there. <br /><br />I have ground to look at which take several hours and It will be a while till I post something, that takes time, just to look.<br />The last picture does not look like natural terrain and yes it's an alien environment.

 

[dfrank]

Let’s be fair,<br /><br />dfrank: This is something I read a while back, in what place I can not remember. <br /><br />They say that the first thing to go is your memory, and the second thing to go is………. uh…… I forget.<br /><br />If you want to get on to me and you don’t get on to him, what’s the deal Lucile?<br /><br />If we want to do some science, that’s what I’m about.<br /><br />Dfrank<br />

 

[JonClarke]

Hi Dfrank<br /><br />It really helps when quoting to distinguish between that you said and what the other person said. It is quite easy, and the FAQ will help you. For this reason I will give your original statements/questions in italics, my response in yellow, your responses to these in bold, and my latest comments in normal font.<br /><br /><i>Why does NASA classify images?</i><br /><br /><font color="yellow">Not to my knowledge. Please give some examples.</font><br /><br /><b>This is something I read a while back, in what place I can not remember. It was in context to the face image I believe. Someone had to sneak the photo out. It had been tucked away in a folder. If this was true it means if they would tuck one photo away they might tuck another. The classifications would be, ones we will release and ones we want. Maybe someone has a better example or maybe I dreamed that up.</b><br /><br />Lots of claims get made, the issue is whether these claims can be substantiated. NASA is legally obliged to release all data from its Mars missions. Allegations that it has not are very serious and therefore need to be backed up by evidence. Your memory of reading something about what someone claimed to have seen is not, I am sorry to say, good evidence. With reference to the “face†(which has been discussed ad nauseum on these for a) we already have multiple data sets at the full resolution of the various systems that have been sent to Mars. Even if another image was available from (say) MOC) it would not show substantially different detail to what we have seen already<br /><br /><i>Why are all the MRO images shown in grayscale</i><br /><br /><font color="yellow">Not all of them. For most purposes panchromatic is quite adequate.</font><br /><br /><b>Adequate is an opinion I guess. False color and grayscale are not adequate to me. </b><br /><br />Yes, it is my opinion. I work with satellite, airborne, and ground imagery on a near daily basis. So my opinion is <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em>Whether we become a multi-planet species with unlimited horizons, or are forever confined to Earth will be decided in the twenty-first century amid the vast plains, rugged canyons and lofty mountains of Mars</em>  Arthur Clarke</p> </div>