STS-117 (13A) Mission- Part II

[emerrill]

Quote of the day so far: "That was the big non-decision of the day" <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

<img src="/images/icons/laugh.gif" /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[erioladastra]

"the press briefings have slipped almost every time. "<br /><br />Dudes - chill. Everyone is running aroudn trying to understand multiple computer problems. Do you want answers or do you want correct answers?

 

[rybanis]

I'm glad that was only a false alarm. I was checking Spaceflightnow a couple minutes ago and almost had to change my shorts.<br /><br />WHEW.<br /><br />Also heard on NPR that the space walkers were told to check their gloves after each task yesterday. I didn't know they were that concerned over the delamination thingy. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[erioladastra]

"First off, I think they would seal off the module and just decomp the one (or the string of them, from the hub). But, also, if memory servers, they only have to decomp a few PSI to put out a fire. I think they crew still needs SCBAs, but it's not lethal. This may not be what they have procedures for, but I seem to recall that only a few PSI drop will put out a fire. "<br /><br />First all ventilation is stopped. If visible fire the crew will put it out either with extinsguiher and or removing power. Then if need be the hatch will be closed. Venting would only be a last resort.

 

[emerrill]

"Dudes - chill. Everyone is running aroudn trying to understand multiple computer problems. Do you want answers or do you want correct answers?"<br /><br />I was chilled. I was just commenting, not complaining, not anything, just stating.<br /><br />The only one that really kinda irked me, was when they delayed (it was liked NET 5, then NET 515, then NET 545, then NET 6, then NET 615, then NET 630), but then after they published and broadcast the 630 start time, the started at 615. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[erioladastra]

"False alarm. "<br /><br />Due to Russian computer problems.

 

[emerrill]

"I didn't know they were that concerned over the delamination thingy"<br /><br />The problem was that someone ripped their glove when doing the same things on a previous mission. They really dont want to no know if they have torn through a layer.<br /><br />Q: Would they scrub the EVA if someone teared the outermost layer of the glove (and they know about it)? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

I don't need to chill. I'm not worried about this one that took place close to on time. It took place more or less when it was promised.<br /><br />I'm more annoyed about the ones that didn't take place when they were supposed to (if they did at all) at 6:30 AM (Replay at 8:30 AM; all times EDT) yesterday, and I think the day before.<br /><br />Besides, erioladastra, the folks in the briefings/ news conferences are not on the front line. Like I said, with all the computer prblems on orbit , it did not delay todays proceedings.<br /><br />It's like anything else, just keep your commitments <img src="/images/icons/smile.gif" /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[MeteorWayne]

There was a cut in the outer layer on the last mission. In the past they never checked. Now they check after each task, to see if there is a problem, and if so, what is causing it. <br />By doing a quick inspection after each task, they can narrow down what the cause might be.<br /><br />That of course means that the media will latch onto this a s a"new problem"<br /><br /> <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080"><em><font color="#000000">But the Krell forgot one thing John. Monsters. Monsters from the Id.</font></em> </font></p><p><font color="#000080">I really, really, really, really miss the "first unread post" function</font><font color="#000080"> </font></p> </div>

 

[SpaceKiwi]

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr /><p>Besides, erioladastra, the folks in the briefings/ news conferences are not on the front line.<p><hr /></p></p></blockquote><br />Maybe not right at the coal-face, but definitely in the decision-making chain when problems come up I would have thought. So, it is perhaps understandable that they are delayed when off-nominal events occur. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><em><font size="2" color="#ff0000">Who is this superhero?  Henry, the mild-mannered janitor ... could be!</font></em></p><p><em><font size="2">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</font></em></p><p><font size="5">Bring Back The Black!</font></p> </div>

 

[rybanis]

I can see it...<br /><br />CNN: Gloves in Space, the Hidden Danger?<br /><br />I can understand their concern over it. Was that the first time there has ever been a "tear" on a space suit? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[erioladastra]

"The problem was that someone ripped their glove when doing the same things on a previous mission. They really dont want to no know if they have torn through a layer. "<br /><br />??? Yes, on 12A Beamer's glove was torn through the RTV and Vectran but did not puncture the bladder. Now we periodically inspect the gloves. If there is a visible hole, that person's EVA is terminated.<br /><br /><br />"Q: Would they scrub the EVA if someone teared the outermost layer of the glove (and they know about it)? "<br /><br />Yes. The Russians even do it now.

 

[erioladastra]

"Besides, erioladastra, the folks in the briefings/ news conferences are not on the front line."<br /><br />Not true - everyone you saw today has been putting in 12 hour days are neck deep in working issues. Two fo the guys today were trying to make sure they knew the latest before going to the briefing. They are late because things are dynamic and they know the press wants the latest. IF everything is smooth then they are on time.<br /><br />"Like I said, with all the computer prblems on orbit , it did not delay todays proceedings. "<br /><br />Yes it did. We were waiting to see how some things went.<br />

 

[thereiwas]

Is it known how Beamer ripped the glove? Some parts of the solar blankets looked pretty sharp...

 

[Testing]

From the reports I read they had reviewed all the tape and were unable to see a specific incedent to put it on. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[rocketwatcher2001]

I've been out of touch for most of the day, what's this about a torn glove? <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[emerrill]

"I've been out of touch for most of the day, what's this about a torn glove?"<br /><br />Nothing really. Just after every action they are inspecting their gloves for tears, because on the last mission one of the spacewalkers ripped the outermost couple layers of their glove. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[Testing]

Last mission I believe, outer layer of one glove sliced/snagged thru <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[rocketwatcher2001]

Thanks everybody. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[erioladastra]

"Is it known how Beamer ripped the glove? Some parts of the solar blankets looked pretty sharp... "<br /><br />Using video we have a good window. It might have been the fluid line connectors but the most likely is some sharp edges on the structure used to take the SMDPs up on 12A. Found sharp edges on it (built in Russia). But since you can't say for sure we inspect the gloves anyway.

 

[erioladastra]

"No I do not sit in on the MMT meetings. "<br /><br />Lucky you.

 

[rybanis]

Ummmm, if it punctures the pressure layer of the suit...is there anything that can be done to save the astronaut?<br /><br />I've always wondered, but its kind of morbid to think of such things... <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> </div>

 

[3488]

It is a real possibilty I'm afraid that a puctured suit during EVA is possible.<br /><br />Even worse would be a cracked / shashed helmet visor.<br /><br />Decompression would be instantaneous.<br /><br />Perhaps shuttle_guy knows, what procedures are in place for such an event.<br /><br />I am certainly learning much from shuttle_guy. We are very lucky to have him<br />on these boards.<br /><br />I do not understand the circumstances of the torn glove. Did it happen during EVA, <br />or was it launched like that, not checked properly???<br /><br />I suspect it is the former.<br /><br />Andrew Brown. <div class="Discussion_UserSignature"> <p><font color="#000080">"I suddenly noticed an anomaly to the left of Io, just off the rim of that world. It was extremely large with respect to the overall size of Io and crescent shaped. It seemed unbelievable that something that big had not been visible before".</font> <em><strong><font color="#000000">Linda Morabito </font></strong><font color="#800000">on discovering that the Jupiter moon Io was volcanically active. Friday 9th March 1979.</font></em></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://www.launchphotography.com/</font><br /><br /><font size="1" color="#000080">http://anthmartian.googlepages.com/thisislandearth</font></p><p><font size="1" color="#000080">http://web.me.com/meridianijournal</font></p> </div>

 

[erioladastra]

If it is small enough, the Secondary Oxygen Pack (SOP) would provide enough O2 to get the crew member back in the airlock. However, testing shows that if you can see it then it is probably too big.